what you should know about the 14th Dalai Lama, page 3

reply to post by xul

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temper temper buddy, maybe it would calm you down if I tell you I am Chinese too?

"only" --> I do feel pointing out that the NY Times article is pretty old. It does proof that the DL administration is willing to take money mayhem/chaos creators like the CIA, or do the USA use their new vehicle "National Endowment for Democracy" (NED)?

Well at least the so-called peaceful monks of Burma were also supported by the NED, monks who were being used to strengthen the American interests in th South-East Asian region. And since the financial relation between the Dalai Lama and the States go back to the 60s, one can almost ONLY come to the conclusion that the Dalai Lama is still receiving financial (and maybe even more) support, whatever the organization CIA, NED etc. This is though to death's men's ear on this board full of disinfo agents trying to blacken China.

As for your question what we know about the Dalai Lama, me myself relatively not much and I doubt the many foreign so-called supporters of Dalai Lama know. For example that his movement received my from the CIA and is most likely still receiving money from the NED. But these people will probably clap that his and his fellow men's hard-earned-paid taxes are gone into the pockets of "terrorists/freedom fighters" thousands of miles away to cause a new chaos among their "imagined" enemies or new excuse to start a new war in the name of helping "helpless/peacefull" monks. Hmmm, maybe not such a good enough example, so that's why I started doing some research of reading this post. Stiff surfing the board, but got distracted with some calls and friendly posts.

[edit on 19/3/08 by IchiNiSan]

reply to post by TheWalkingFox

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Not only did you steal my source, but you stole the points i was going to make as well!

Great minds think alike I guess

Starred

This is the history of the Chinese invasion and occupation from 2 different perspectives:

www.tibet.com...

www.ccds.charlotte.nc.us...


Some of the problems facing Tibet in getting the rest of the world to assist them in resisting the Chinese invasion in 1950 were:

1. The remote and inaccessible location made it logistically difficult to give any kind of practical military assistance (it was 1950 not 2008)

2. Most nations who might at other times have helped Tibet were in 1950 still recovering from the devastation of WW2 and either bankrupt or preoccupied with trying to rebuild, and had neither resources nor inclination to get involved in a war against China

3. The embryonic UN was starting to get sucked into the civil war in Korea and could not deal with more than one thing at a time, even if member states had had the resources to commit, which they did not

Tibet was the loser, unfortunately. When I was in Lhasa in 1998, it was quite obvious that the Chinese regime was engaged in a policy of the wholesale relocation of hundreds of thousands of Han Chinese into Tibet to dilute the ethnic Tibetan population and 'Chinese-ize' the territory. This it appears has been quite successful.

I think our Chinese friends on this thread should recognize that the Dalai Lama, despite the murderous Chinese assault on his nation over the past 50 years, does not support a completely free and autonomous Tibet. He realizes it's too late for that. But he does support a degree of autonomy and religious freedom, which in almost any other part of the world would be considered a mild and reasonable aspiration.

The DL has great international respect and admiration for good reason. People the world over know him as peacable, good humored and basically a great guy. Slandering him in this stupid way is reminiscent of Josef Goebbels' propaganda against the Jews and makes you look ridiculous. Whether or not you are a paid, brainwashed pawn of the Chinese Government, you should be aware that's how you appear.

And yes, I have been to China, 14 times in 15 years. I know the country very well and have lots of personal friends there. But the Tibet issue is a black stain on China, and always will be.

reply to post by IchiNiSan

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Well if he took money from the CIA i don't blame him.
He is after all in confrontation with the heroes of Tiananmen square.
Fight fire with fire.

reply to post by TimeTracker

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It was a liberation, of sorts. It was the replacement of a THEOCRATIC government with that of a Totalitarian Communist government.

For all the bad things you can say about the Chinese government and its dealings with tibet, the average peasent saw an increase in living standards under its rule, as compared to the rule of the previous theocratic leaders.

reply to post by Cosmocow

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no, he didnt get run over by tanks, but his actions were incredible none the less

As the tanks came to a stop, he appeared to be trying to wave them away. In response, the front tank attempted to drive around the man, but the man repeatedly stepped into the path of the tank in a show of nonviolent action.[1] After blocking the tanks, the man climbed up onto the top of the lead tank and had a conversation with the driver. Reports of what he said to the driver vary, including "Why are you here? My city is in chaos because of you";[1] "Go back, turn around, and stop killing my people"; and "Go away." Video footage shows that anxious onlookers then pulled the man away and absorbed him into the crowd[1] and the tanks continued on their way.

Source

reply to post by crazyboy0

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China and it's vast military will never hold Tibet. Wait and see my commie friend.

reply to post by TXMACHINEGUNDLR

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Im assuming you mean to say that the US will, for some unknown reason, come to the rescue of Tibet? If that is what you are saying, why do you believe this? There is no evidence to suggest US leaders care for the plight of the Tibetan people.

Your anti-communist attitude seems to be a leftover from the McCarthy days.

I just want to add that it is most certainly not only Chinese propaganda that states the same short comings of the Dalai Lama as the OP.

No you-tube exists for this, but I found a myspace vid of it here:
vids.myspace.com...

It's Penn and Teller, which I realize is more entertainment than encyclopedia - however, I've seen other sources stating the same thing. I'm at work however, and a quick google search didn't return anything and I've not the time to dig deeper.

This is ATS where we 'deny ignorance' - that doesn't mean we deny the ignorance of those biased opinions we disagree with - that means we deny all ignorance. Let's find the truth about Tenzin Gyatso regardless of any country or political movement says about him.

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