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Originally posted by IchiNiSan
Thou who are protesting, rioting, looting and violently beating and killing of innocents in name of a supposedly non-violent-holy-man should stop anytime. One eyewitness record of a tourist said it all. "I agree that the Tibetans have their own culture, but I can't agree with what people did. After a while, it was not about Tibetan freedom any more.". We should look into other potential causes besides the cry for freedom. No, it wasn't about the freedom anymore, it was taking revenge for their economic situation in my opinion. Some of the old Tibetans were trying to stop these frustrated young men and saved Han Chinese lives. Frustrated young men who blamed everything and everyone else besides to look into the mirror why they are unemployed and lack behind in the fastly developing society. Out-of-control beasts beating and killing innocents do not deserve freedom, they deserve to be arrested and put behind bars for breaking the law.
The Dalai Lama says he does not want independency, he says he wants only a greater autonomy, Wen JiaBao is willing to talk to him peacefully. It does not help the cause though when these rioters keep on rioting using violence under the overly false presence that they want freedom.
[edit on 22/3/08 by IchiNiSan]
Chaos is inherent in all compounded things. Strive on with diligence.
Hatred does not cease through hatred at any time. Hatred ceases through love. This is an unalterable law.
Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without.
Originally posted by Throbber
Just because a group of moronic fools decide the best way to get what they want is to seize it by the throat doesn't mean that anyone who tries to stop them doesn't want the same thing.
Of course, you have to admit that the price they paid with their lives (and the lives of others) has more or less propelled the issue of a Free Tibet onto the world stage.
What it comes down to, ultimately - is the fact that the original dispute began between Chinese Security Forces and Tibetan protestors, and everything since that original conflict has been typical of a culture on the rampage.
Which is pretty natural, all things considered.
However, for every protestor who commits acts of violence in the name of freedom, there are protestors who look upon those acts as abhorrent, and would like nothing more than to stop them from happening.
In the context of those who would wish for peaceful protest, what exactly is wrong with the idea of a 'free tibet'?
Crocodile tears over China's role in Tibet
Mon, 2008-03-24 04:08
By Janaka Perera
Colombo, 24 March. (Asiantribune.com): We need to have a glimpse at South Asian history to understand Beijing's current role in Tibet. China's policies on this issue are deeply rooted in the events of the last two centuries. Many have forgotten that Britain during her imperialist adventures was using Tibet to undermine China when latter was a helpless sick giant. She was then at the mercy of the gunboat diplomats – the ancestors of today's `human rights' champions.
Tibetans are the most widely distributed ethnic groups in the People's Republic. In addition to Tibet, they also inhabit Qinghai, Sichuan, Gansu and Yunnan provinces. The Tibetans are one of China's 56 'nationalities' as Beijing calls them. They are spread over one fourth of the country's land area. Therefore Chinese governments have naturally treated Tibet too as part of China, although not under Beijing's direct rule during some periods in history. Problems in the mountain kingdom accelerated only after the entry of Western imperialists into Asia.
Originally posted by Mdv2
Originally posted by crazyboy0
reply to post by Mdv2
It seems not all americans are stupid!
That explains a lot. You are just another poor little Chinese thing brainwashed by Chinese communist propaganda. When your government blocks access to any objective news source available online, then it's not weird you have these ignorant thoughts.
Oh and by the way... try not to embarras yourself again... I am not from the US, you clown.
Tibetans may be responsible for some of the turmoil in the region, but Tibet as a whole is not. The Chinese Invaded Tibet, that fact of history doesn't change.
Originally posted by poisonmekare
Also I would like to point out that one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
Originally posted by mortalengine
Sorry if someone has already mentioned this but, breaking news:
Dalai Lama to resign if attacks dont stop.
Now what Crazyboy ?
Originally posted by Mdv2
Originally posted by zhangxi0183
oh yeah. chinese source are no credible evidence, only source from white house is true, blah blah blah.. keep denying the truth you don't like. it's won't be a big surprise for me. i just feel really sorry for you. too bad for you can just only hear one side of the story. and even couldn't have the gut to face the truth.
Do you really think a Chinese news agency would be allowed to write the Dali Lama is such a great and beautiful personality? No kidding... BBC is for instance a credible news source.
Originally posted by Yechidah
Anyone who believes Tibet belongs to China is high on lies or Chinese.
The Red army invaded, killed most of the men, sterlized the woman, sent the children to indoctrination camps. The monks at great risk took the independence and sovereignty documents to India, as China would not risk a war with India even today. Tibet at the time appealed to the UN but landed on deaf ears...so what is new there. The dali Lama is a politician and spiritual leader. For without faith, there is no hope. Who cares about whom he associates with. Is our own CIA saintly????
Originally posted by SaviorComplex
Originally posted by zhangxi0183
oh yeah. chinese source are no credible evidence, only source from white house is true, blah blah blah.. keep denying the truth you don't like.
i'm sorry to let you see the real world.
You are arguing a false dichotomy. Just because one does not believe a STATE-RUN Chinese source, does not mean one believes everything or everything the White House says.
I've come across a bit of a problem in you and CrazyBoy's propaganda...ahem...I mean arguments. You claim that picture you posted was an example of what happened to serfs under the rule of the Dalai Lama. Crazy Boy made claims about the atrocities that the Dalai Lama was committing before 1949. But there's a problem.
Tenzin Gyatso didn't become Dalai Lama until November 1950. Come on, Crazy Boy and ZhangiXi, you know your Chinese history. Why don't you tell us what happened just one month before, in October 1950?
Originally posted by dontwannadie
Absolute rubbish! You're a complete fool.
Chinese propaganda against H.H. The Dalai Lama is nothing new.
Doesn't make it true. Right???? Everybody knows this.
China invaded Tibet. That's that. This is a no brainer. Tibet basically belongs to China because nobody wants to wage war inside of a basin surrounded by mountains. H.H. The Dalai Lama doesn't want further bloodshed and is against his people fighting the Chinese army, even though some Tibetan people wish to reclaim their land using force.
Many Tibetans have taken refuge in Dharamsala and are living under very difficult conditions (but, thank god for India!). The story, my friends, goes on and on. Too much suffering.
We, speaking of Americans, are at fault for giving all of our money to the Chinese government i.e., all things imported from China... we, in turn, are funding them!!!!
This, of course, is nothing new either.
Politics... politicians are lower than low.
You, crazyboy0, your name suits you.
But you should feel ashamed for this thread, not proud.
Btw, I've personally met with H.H. The Dalai Lama. Have you?
He is a very kind and generous person. For the record.
You, clearly, have no idea what you're talking about.
Originally posted by brigand
You know NOTHING of the Dali Lama.
Read his book sometime, "The Universe in a Single Atom" and you'll get a better idea of the kind of man you are degrading. You should be ashamed of yourself for even making this post.