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Aliens Vs. Deception

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posted on Mar, 19 2008 @ 01:30 AM
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I'm a little curious as to what all the fuss is about aliens. Many people here believe in the NWO, The Elites, and their plans to take over the world. Quite a few of these people also believe that the aliens are their salvation or their enlightenment. For those that believe in the Alien Theory I would like to know on what basis your beliefs are founded upon. There are many Religions out there that have a fundamental belief in Aliens, If this is your belief, is it based upon your religion or just your own logical thinking process.

I personally believe that The Alien thing is part of the great deception; if this is your belief as well I would like to hear your point of view on this also.

I'm just looking for an intelligent conversation on how your belief or non belief in aliens is based upon your own spirituality.

In your replies please state what your religeous preference is. Just saying Christian isn't good enough I would like to know your specific faith.

Thanks for the replies this will help me with my own quest for spirtuality.





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posted on Mar, 19 2008 @ 01:38 AM
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I guess for me, I have always felt that there was other life in the universe other than us. How could there not be? I've grown up hearing tales from different family members of ufo sightings and weird phenomenon. I'm sure I've seen them myself.

Now I also believe in the NWO theories not because of what I read here or other sites, but because of history. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.....and history always tends to repeat itself. As for Aliens being our salvation...? I don't know. I believe that just as mankind has the capability of extreme good and extreme evil, so do the "aliens" so I wont go and say they are all benevolent and want to help mankind.

I suppose when it comes down to it, its all about the good and the evil...no matter what race, species, affiliation or planet you're from.



posted on Mar, 19 2008 @ 01:58 AM
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Personally I believe in Aliens and if you believe in them then you have to believe that there are probably many different types. And as QBsneak00 mentioned they may be good or bad.

I'm not sure what you mean by the whole deception thing. Do you mean that the NWO will trick us into thinking that Aliens exist and they are here to save us or do you mean that an actual Alien race will act like they are saving us but will really enslave us???

At any rate, I have always wondered that perhaps there was some kind of not so good Alien race behind the whole NWO thing.

So I say that if an Alien race does come to save us they may be saving us from another Alien race that is already controlling us through the NWO. But I guess we will all have to make some kind of judgement call when and if that day comes in case it really is some sort of deception.


[edit on 19-3-2008 by CyberTruth]



posted on Mar, 19 2008 @ 02:38 AM
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People believe in aliens for they simply have to or want to believe in something, as most of our planet's population wants to believe in a merciful God that wouldn't allow bad things to happen, a heaven for good people as a reward for their efforts etc.

God and walking talking alien have one thing in common though: their existance is yet to be proven.



posted on Mar, 19 2008 @ 04:09 AM
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@photobug- All the fuss is about people not being able to except the realities of the Creator's great multi-verse, they are either too self important, or too dogmatic, or too self loathing to except the possibility that there are "many sheep in other pens" to wich Jesus reffered to as being a shepard over as well.

We are programmed by society to believe (and I say wrongly) that salvation will be like God's welfair, or that it will have to be someone else who comes to our rescue, they want it neatly handed to them in a bow for free. True we might not be able to EARN our salvation (physical or spiritual) but God doesn't say "just lay back, take it easy and I'll do it all for you" either. Jesus says "Do not lean on your earthly knowledge" but he doesn't say "everything I don't tell you about is a lie" either.

God gave you a brain, and put you in the mysterious physical world for a reason, you DO have a mission here, do you think that reason/mission was to question what it is that He made others curious about? Is your faith SO weak you must try and belittle others intrests, wich don't fit your perfect view of what you think the universe is? My faith is none of YOUR buisness, it is a private matter between me and God, I wouldn't tell you after asking like that anyway, because if it wasn't your EXACT "major name brand" of faith, you would use it to tell yourself "see he is just an infidel anyway" and only God can justly judge me.

Besides if UFOs/aliens are a "deception" how can it hurt you as long as you keep it from being an idol before God? Strengthen your faith, surrender to God who you hear inside your own heart, and "FEAR NOT!" for he is with you always! Isn't he? God gave you power over evil in his name, don't fear anything, fear is the tool of evil, or is it better to wear a tinfoil hat and hide in the closet? lol. Your on the right path it sounds like, at least you WANT to be more spiritual, look at all the poor sleeping people plugged into thier cell phones, on cruise control, keeping up with the joneses, at least you aren't asleep like them!

@QBSneak000- How do you tell wich aliens are "good" and wich are "evil"? What if they have no concept of morality? Worse, from thier point of view, looking down on an ant hill, how would YOU tell wich ant is good and wich is evil? If you were the ant on his hill, how would you tell a good human leg from an evil one? Unless they are demons like alot of religous people fear, we are powerless over them in the physical universe anyway. I don't know that's for sure, I'm gonna wait and see I geuss.


@CyberTruth- Interesting as well. Good call we all have to decide these things on a daily basis, just learn all you are able, and make the best choices you are able based on your level of understanding you've been granted.

@Breadfan- Hmmm. I'm sorry for you that you feel you can only believe that wich is "proven" to you personaly, not much ever will be. It is not weakness to believe in the the mysterious or unprovable, God has designed this universe so that "proveing" his exsistance simply isn't possible. (see hisenberg's uncertinty princeable and about how measureing something changes it) Is it easier to believe in something you really FEEL is real but can't prove, or is it easirer to believe in that wich is proved beyond a reasonable doubt? A baby must have thier food either pre-chewed, or put in a blender, they grow teeth to be able to process thier own food, can't you see how needing "proof" is like needing baby food? Have your mental teeth come in yet, are you useing them or are you still on baby knowledge? Anything worth doing....

I'm on LIVE NASA TV watching 10 astronaughts, Russian, Japanese, Canadian, French, and American- right now eating out of cans with chop sticks all in one room of the ISS, some are on the ceiling, some are sideways, passing food by throwing it slowly across the room listening to music, really are God and aliens SO hard to believe in?



posted on Mar, 19 2008 @ 07:43 AM
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Originally posted by Breadfan
People believe in aliens for they simply have to or want to believe in something, as most of our planet's population wants to believe in a merciful God that wouldn't allow bad things to happen, a heaven for good people as a reward for their efforts etc.

God and walking talking alien have one thing in common though: their existance is yet to be proven.


And yet your post is incredibly unoriginal. Your refusal to acknowledge the impossibility of there not being other life forms in the universe is quite simply laughable.



posted on Mar, 19 2008 @ 08:33 AM
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Originally posted by QBSneak000

I suppose when it comes down to it, its all about the good and the evil...no matter what race, species, affiliation or planet you're from.



I like that. I'm not debating whether Aliens exist or not, But If they do I am sure that there would be both good and evil ones.



posted on Mar, 19 2008 @ 09:27 AM
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Originally posted by HellHound63S
@photobug- All the fuss is about people not being able to except the realities of the Creator's great multi-verse, they are either too self important, or too dogmatic, or too self loathing to except the possibility that there are "many sheep in other pens" to wich Jesus reffered to as being a shepard over as well.


Can you provide some scripture to support this rather than pass judgement on those whose beliefs differ from yours?


Originally posted by HellHound63S
Jesus says "Do not lean on your earthly knowledge" but he doesn't say "everything I don't tell you about is a lie" either.


I am in agreement that Jesus may not have told us all the secrets of the Universe But I am unfamilar with the scripture that says "Do not lean on your earthly Knowledge" Do you think it's possible that Jesus was referring to spiritual knowledge here rather than Alien Knowledge?


Originally posted by HellHound63S
@photobug- All the fuss is about people not being able to except the
God gave you a brain, and put you in the mysterious physical world for a reason, you DO have a mission here, do you think that reason/mission was to question what it is that He made others curious about? Is your faith SO weak you must try and belittle others intrests, wich don't fit your perfect view of what you think the universe is? My faith is none of YOUR buisness, it is a private matter between me and God, I wouldn't tell you after asking like that anyway, because if it wasn't your EXACT "major name brand" of faith, you would use it to tell yourself "see he is just an infidel anyway" and only God can justly judge me.

Besides if UFOs/aliens are a "deception" how can it hurt you as long as you keep it from being an idol before God? Strengthen your faith, surrender to God who you hear inside your own heart, and "FEAR NOT!" for he is with you always! Isn't he? God gave you power over evil in his name, don't fear anything, fear is the tool of evil, or is it better to wear a tinfoil hat and hide in the closet? lol. Your on the right path it sounds like, at least you WANT to be more spiritual, look at all the poor sleeping people plugged into thier cell phones, on cruise control, keeping up with the joneses, at least you aren't asleep like them!


Of course God had given me a mission here on earth and I do not question my faith or my belief in god and Jesus. For someone of such strong faith as yourself I find it hard to believe that you are trying to read between the lines here. I never made any mention of or have tried to belittle anyone’s faiths or beliefs much less try to belittle someone’s interests. I only ask for an understanding of the basis of one’s own beliefs. I believe I asked for both view points on this issue and only stated my beliefs for full disclosure. The reason I ask for your particular faith has to do with my current spiritual studies regarding various faiths. One can say they are a Christian just as much as they can day they are Islamic but the fact of the matter is there are varying degrees of both religions. For instance in Christianity there are Catholics, Mormons, Protestants, Baptists, Etc. all with a basic fundamental Christian belief but varying degrees of doctrines and faiths.
I also don't believe I have specified that I am representing any "name brand religion" you are again making assumptions on my part. Just so you have an understanding of where I am coming from I ask only because I desire an understanding of various beliefs for my own personal spirituality. For all you know perhaps this understanding is critical to Gods plans for me. I have not judged you as you are judging me I was merely asking for your beliefs, how those beliefs affect your spirituality, and to add as part of your answer your religious affiliation. It is not my place to judge, it is Gods, I am only seeking understanding, and I will never Judge you nor will I mock your beliefs as I would expect the same from you.


Originally posted by HellHound63S
Besides if UFOs/aliens are a "deception" how can it hurt you as long as you keep it from being an idol before God? Strengthen your faith, surrender to God who you hear inside your own heart, and "FEAR NOT!" for he is with you always! Isn't he? God gave you power over evil in his name, don't fear anything, fear is the tool of evil, or is it better to wear a tinfoil hat and hide in the closet? lol. Your on the right path it sounds like, at least you WANT to be more spiritual, look at all the poor sleeping people plugged into thier cell phones, on cruise control, keeping up with the joneses, at least you aren't asleep like them!


You are exactly correct here. I do not question my faith I only wish to walk a closer path with the lord. I have no fear over evil but I am also aware of it's existence and it's power over the "Tin foil Hatters" that hide in their closets. Your comment of the poor sleeping people puts tears in my eyes for those people are being decieved every day. They are decieved not by Doctrine but by indoctrination.



posted on Mar, 19 2008 @ 09:48 AM
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Originally posted by CyberTruth

I'm not sure what you mean by the whole deception thing. Do you mean that the NWO will trick us into thinking that Aliens exist and they are here to save us or do you mean that an actual Alien race will act like they are saving us but will really enslave us???

[edit on 19-3-2008 by CyberTruth]


Well thats really a tough question and leaves a lot of room for speculation. The whole deception thing is just based on end of the world theories and the interpretation of Revalations. It basically goes like this, in order for the antichrist to take power of the world he must unite the world. You only need to look through ATS for proof of the NWO, One world Government etc. So the theory goes that in order to unite the World there must be some event must take place to unite the world such as the disclosure of Aliens where an "Alien" is purported to be God and begins to solve all the worlds problems. Those that belive this theory believe this will be a hoax on the world utilizing holographics and other technology that may or may not be available at the current time.



posted on Mar, 19 2008 @ 11:01 AM
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@QBSneak000- How do you tell wich aliens are "good" and wich are "evil"? What if they have no concept of morality? Worse, from thier point of view, looking down on an ant hill, how would YOU tell wich ant is good and wich is evil? If you were the ant on his hill, how would you tell a good human leg from an evil one? Unless they are demons like alot of religous people fear, we are powerless over them in the physical universe anyway. I don't know that's for sure, I'm gonna wait and see I geuss.


Thats a lot of what if's!
well for starters, I believe every sentient being has the capability of knowing good from evil. As for the ants....well..... .they are insects and although intelligent, still function under a hive mind, driven by instinct as most of the animal kingdom. So no, I don't think they could tell the difference. As for humans...we have a conscience/moral compass to guide us. I also don't believe that aliens would have no concept of morality only because if they can read minds as the consensus goes, then its reasonable thinking to believe that they would know it (good vs evil) from the minds of their abductee's. Now on to the religious part. If they are demons then it would be logical to assume that some of them are also angels therefore they do know the difference between good and evil.

How can a society as advanced as to develop inter galactic/dimensional travel NOT know? at some point in their evolution they must have been through the same things we have gone through (war, love, hate, unrest) possibly millions of years ago and have evolved physically/mentally to what they are today, much like the changes the human race is constantly going through.

If I were an ant I would bite first and ask questions later



posted on Mar, 19 2008 @ 03:12 PM
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Personally, the closest religious affiliation for me is probably "agnostic"...
The conclusion that we're being visited by advanced beings from another world is one reached by looking at the evidence at hand. Simply put, this conclusion is the only one that satisfies the preponderance of evidence.

As for it being part of an NWO type plot, I'd say the military's own historical actions show otherwise, and indeed it seemed that at the height of the phenomenon, the military took this as a very serious threat (and did so behind closed doors)...

Are they our saviors? I seriously doubt it. The characteristics of the sightings, abductions, etc. do not support this idea, and instead point to a desire of secrecy, not intervention or assistance.

Personally, I think our military is still baffled by over half of what they've recovered, and only slight advances have made their way into our lives (such as the transistor, and a few other revolutionary concepts), based on ideas learned from recovered tech. Much like a caveman would still be perplexed decades after finding a 1980 television in a cave.

The other thing, and this is a big one...we're one of only billions and billions (to use Sagan for a moment) of planets, around billions of stars, in perhaps billions of galaxies. The idea of us being alone as sentient beings is pretty ego-centric, not to mention statistically, nearly impossible. Furthermore, we're not exactly in the oldest part of our known Universe, so it stands to reason that some of these sentients may have been around a bit longer...and hence, may have perfected some of the ideas we are just now beginning to formulate about FTL travel.

After all, if we were alone, what a waste of space!



posted on Mar, 21 2008 @ 02:44 PM
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this thread is a perfect example of why I feel that aliens may be part of satans deception.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Its strange that more people would rather talk about their belief in aliens rather than their inward spirituality regarding aliens. There is too much evidence out there of people tying in the NWO to aliens to think that it is not part of a NWO deception.



posted on Mar, 21 2008 @ 02:58 PM
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Originally posted by Breadfan
People believe in aliens for they simply have to or want to believe in something.


Pff. This is false.

It's not your job or anyone elses to tell people what they believe and why they believe it.

People dont 'believe in aliens'. They either see a UFO or they have a contact experience. Usually they just see a UFO.

There is no 'need' to believe in Aliens. This is something that people say when they have a complete lack of experience (ahem).

There is no 'need' to believe in God. This is something people say when they have complete lack of understanding of God...

There is also no 'need' for any of us who have seen UFOs OR who 'believe' in God to prove it to you or any other skeptic... and this is why skeptics stamp their feet and say stuff like

"Oh, people just want to believe in Aliens."



posted on Mar, 21 2008 @ 03:09 PM
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Your post has a very valid point !! but for one and this is just my opinon but Im into it for 1. I had and experiance 2.I have and do think what if its just the goverment and I also do care about NWO ect .. but you cant tell me that the goverment has been able to shoot into outerspace as long as these things have been around and if so for that long wouldnt they have colonies up there maybe even cloning ect and if just by chance if this were true wouldnt who ever they have had up there be considered not of this world??? and if experts say that the human body cant with stand the presurse of these UFOs going into space depending how they work then whos flying the darn things and if they had it to use wouldnt we see trickles of it in our technology by now because you know the NWO/Illuminati would have a ball only letting a little out to the public if they can run to the bank on it and thats just the way I think about it and not to be mean or rude but you dont have to pay attention to us ufo buffs so why ask why lol
very good post tho Kudos



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