reply to post by jbondo
Even though this man has some interesting theories and is scientific in nature, I still find it hard to believe some of his far out explanations...
Has he met any of these other civilizations? Does math prove there are these types of civilizations? Where is he getting his information from
exactly... String theory? M theory? And even so those are just theories correct? I've seen a lot of videos with this guy and he's always talking,
but never really seems to convince me of his ideas... Although he does give good examples... Does not make his word is finite... I find him to be a
very imaginative dreamer...
The 3 main types of civilization, page 1
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reply posted on 18-3-2008 @ 03:00 PM by Kashodi
Ok, so a quick google search shows that Dr. Michio Kaku seems to be the main speaker these
days on this subject.
The theory was first developed in 1964 by Nikolai Kardashev
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The theory was first developed in 1964 by Nikolai Kardashev
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reply posted on 18-3-2008 @ 03:30 PM by guppy
reply to post by ElectricUncleSam
ElectricalUncleSam,
I don't know, eUncleSam. It sounds like a closed-minded response. There is a lot we don't know about the universe. And it is true that all the top-minds' theories, like Michio Kaku, Stephen Hawking and others, are just that. They are theories or guesses based on the available data they have at the current time. And each of them are humble enough to say so.
Best question to ask yourself is this: The known universe is 14 billiion years old. Our solar system and planet has only been around 4 - 5 billion years. Humans have been roaming the earth, supposedly, tens of thousands of years. Humans have only occupied known time for only a drop of a bucket. Ask yourself how would a civilization be if it was 10,000 years older than us? Better yet, how would we perceive a civlization that is a million years old? Or a billion years old?! They could possibly god-like in our eyes because of their technology is so alien and so wonderful. Do not assume alien life in the universe develops exactly like humans do.
You should read Michio Kaku's and Stephen Hawkings' books. Very intriguing and good for the mind. It kinda puts you in perspective with our little pond and the universe.
As for the types of civilization, Dr. Kaku did not invent it. It was created by a Russian phycisist, named Nikolai Kardashev. And the types of civlization is called the Kardashev scale. See link...
Kardashev Scale
ElectricalUncleSam,
I don't know, eUncleSam. It sounds like a closed-minded response. There is a lot we don't know about the universe. And it is true that all the top-minds' theories, like Michio Kaku, Stephen Hawking and others, are just that. They are theories or guesses based on the available data they have at the current time. And each of them are humble enough to say so.
Best question to ask yourself is this: The known universe is 14 billiion years old. Our solar system and planet has only been around 4 - 5 billion years. Humans have been roaming the earth, supposedly, tens of thousands of years. Humans have only occupied known time for only a drop of a bucket. Ask yourself how would a civilization be if it was 10,000 years older than us? Better yet, how would we perceive a civlization that is a million years old? Or a billion years old?! They could possibly god-like in our eyes because of their technology is so alien and so wonderful. Do not assume alien life in the universe develops exactly like humans do.
You should read Michio Kaku's and Stephen Hawkings' books. Very intriguing and good for the mind. It kinda puts you in perspective with our little pond and the universe.
As for the types of civilization, Dr. Kaku did not invent it. It was created by a Russian phycisist, named Nikolai Kardashev. And the types of civlization is called the Kardashev scale. See link...
Kardashev Scale
reply posted on 18-3-2008 @ 03:34 PM by guppy
reply to post by ElectricUncleSam
One more thing, eUncleSam. The M Theory and String Theory derives from Einstein's Theory of Everything. It is the theory to explain everything from how the macroverse (planets, galaxies, etc.) interact with the microverse (atoms, neutrons, etc.). Einstein worked till his death on the Theory of Everything and was no where near completion. But today's physicists, like Kaku and Hawking, have taken up the challenge. Good luck to them. The biggest problem is the planck (spelled right?) constant...
Planck Constant
eUncleSam, please read more about this subject and return. I would love to talk to you about these subjects. I just wished the rest of the world would do the same instead of focusing their lives on Brittney Spears, what car to drive, who is having sex with whom?, and so forth. We should progress not digress.
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One more thing, eUncleSam. The M Theory and String Theory derives from Einstein's Theory of Everything. It is the theory to explain everything from how the macroverse (planets, galaxies, etc.) interact with the microverse (atoms, neutrons, etc.). Einstein worked till his death on the Theory of Everything and was no where near completion. But today's physicists, like Kaku and Hawking, have taken up the challenge. Good luck to them. The biggest problem is the planck (spelled right?) constant...
Planck Constant
eUncleSam, please read more about this subject and return. I would love to talk to you about these subjects. I just wished the rest of the world would do the same instead of focusing their lives on Brittney Spears, what car to drive, who is having sex with whom?, and so forth. We should progress not digress.
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reply posted on 19-3-2008 @ 02:32 PM by guppy
Hahaha! Careful when you use "Guppy". Its on NSA's Echelon's keyword list.
NSA Echelon Keyword List
As for the fish analogy, you've read through the lines. We fish are a proud race, except for tilapias. Soon, we fishes will rise from your beaches and take back what was once ours.
BTW, there was another analogy about the ant and a freeway. But the fish in the pond is a good story.
For those people do deny the fact that life exists outside our planet, or even our solar system, send them to the Atlas of the Universe:
Atlas of the Universe
I love this website. You start at viewing our solar system from a distance of 12.5 lightyears. You end up zooming out to 14 billion lightyears. Its very humbling knowing how big our universe is. Denying that life does not exist outside of Earth is like saying our world is flat.
NSA Echelon Keyword List
As for the fish analogy, you've read through the lines. We fish are a proud race, except for tilapias. Soon, we fishes will rise from your beaches and take back what was once ours.
BTW, there was another analogy about the ant and a freeway. But the fish in the pond is a good story.
For those people do deny the fact that life exists outside our planet, or even our solar system, send them to the Atlas of the Universe:
Atlas of the Universe
I love this website. You start at viewing our solar system from a distance of 12.5 lightyears. You end up zooming out to 14 billion lightyears. Its very humbling knowing how big our universe is. Denying that life does not exist outside of Earth is like saying our world is flat.
reply posted on 21-3-2008 @ 07:56 PM by jbondo
reply to post by guppy
Guppy, I'm disappointed that you have nothing to say about my last post. Could be taken as a joke but it was meant to provoke philosophic.
Guppy, I'm disappointed that you have nothing to say about my last post. Could be taken as a joke but it was meant to provoke philosophic.
reply posted on 22-3-2008 @ 08:04 AM by MrPenny
reply to post by jbondo
Don't worry, I got it. Took a while....scratched my head, smoked a couple cigarettes....
I've always felt that any attempt to categorize civilizations other than here on Earth, was an exercise in "making stuff up". Don't take that wrong....they may turn out to be pretty darn close....but still, all we have to work with is what we've done on this planet. I may be too pragmatic or too much of a geek, but....having no comparative or empirical data to compile these theories smacks of science fiction.
Almost forgot to add....Maybe Bob is crazy.
[edit on 22-3-2008 by MrPenny]
Don't worry, I got it. Took a while....scratched my head, smoked a couple cigarettes....
I've always felt that any attempt to categorize civilizations other than here on Earth, was an exercise in "making stuff up". Don't take that wrong....they may turn out to be pretty darn close....but still, all we have to work with is what we've done on this planet. I may be too pragmatic or too much of a geek, but....having no comparative or empirical data to compile these theories smacks of science fiction.
Almost forgot to add....Maybe Bob is crazy.
[edit on 22-3-2008 by MrPenny]
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