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F.B.I. Counsel: No Attempt Made By F.B.I. To Formally Identify 9/11 Plane Wreckage

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posted on Mar, 24 2008 @ 09:13 AM
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Originally posted by tezzajw

Originally posted by Disclosed
Do you not know what the NIST, FEMA and 9/11 commission reports say?

NIST can't even model the alleged pattern of fuel distribution through the floor levels, without making a 200 pound error for the amount of fuel present.

You're placing an extreme amount of faith in the quality of a report that contains arithmetic errors.


You are right, we need to throw out the whole report over 29 gallons of fuel. That 29 gallons would have made all the difference in the world.




posted on Mar, 24 2008 @ 01:45 PM
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Let's get out of the realm of opinion, and go for FACT.

FACT: The NTSB is required BY LAW to investigate airplane crashes.

From www.helicoptercrashes.com...

The National Transportation Safety Board (hereinafter, NTSB) is required by law to investigate all civil aircraft accidents in the United States and to determine and to publicly report the facts, conditions, circumstances and probable cause of such aircraft accidents. 49 U.S.C. App. §§ 1902, 1903(a)(1) and (a)(2). NTSB reports of accidents in brief or summary format are issued for all aviation accidents and for all non-major railroad, highway, pipeline and marine accidents investigated by or for the NTSB, for which probable cause is determined. The final reports are generally issued about a year after the accident in a initial "brief of accident" NTSB investigation report.

I would think part of that duty is to determine WHICH aircraft crashed. Can't you see what some smart-aleck attorney would say? "Sir, did you identify the airplane that crashed? NO?! Then how do you know an airplane crashed at all?"



posted on Mar, 24 2008 @ 01:55 PM
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Originally posted by DisclosedDo you not know what the NIST, FEMA and 9/11 commission reports say?


You mean the NIST report that did not think it was important to test fo explosives and chemicals but FEMA did?

You mean the NIST report that did not recover any steel from building 7 for testing?

You mean the 9/11 commission report that did not have enough timne or money to do a proper investigation?

Oh and the fact that none of these agancies are the main investigators for 9/11.

[edit on 24-3-2008 by ULTIMA1]



posted on Mar, 24 2008 @ 01:56 PM
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Well, SOMEONE wrote "And at this point, they most certainly are suspect."


Semantics. You waste my time and distract from the discussion needlessly. The FBI are not suspect because they are investigators, their complicity is suspect due to findings such as the topic of this thread.

Now either you were genuinely ignorant of my meaning, in which case, I am happy to enlighten you. Or, you are making a deliberate attempt to derail this discussion, in which case I would kindly request that you refrain from engaging me any further in this debate.





[edit on 3/24/0808 by jackinthebox]



posted on Mar, 24 2008 @ 02:02 PM
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No one has to adobt an unspecified "formal process" to know that.

I am in the majority that understand that the investigations were the largest and best ever done and demonstrated conclusively what we already knew.


Well yes we do need a formal process for the aircraft identification since all the scenes are crime scenes.

No, the investagtions were not the best done. The FBI only spent 5 days on the Pentagon crime scene after stating it would take a month.





[edit on 24-3-2008 by ULTIMA1]



posted on Mar, 24 2008 @ 02:51 PM
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Originally posted by ULTIMA1
Well yes we do need a formal process for the aircraft identification since all the scenes are crime scenes.

No, the investagtions were not the best done. The FBI only spent 5 days on the Pentagon crime scene after stating it would take a month.


SO since this is a crime scene...perhaps we should wait until the official reports are released, to see all of the evidence that has been found.



posted on Mar, 24 2008 @ 02:55 PM
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Originally posted by Disclosed
SO since this is a crime scene...perhaps we should wait until the official reports are released, to see all of the evidence that has been found.


But the point is that for a supposed terrorist crime scene, one of the biggest attacks against the US and the FBI only spends 5 days ?



[edit on 24-3-2008 by ULTIMA1]



posted on Mar, 24 2008 @ 02:57 PM
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Originally posted by ULTIMA1
But the point is that for a supposed terrorist crime scene, one of the biggest attacks against the US and the FBI only spends 5 days ?


What did you FOIA request to the FBI tell you then?



posted on Mar, 24 2008 @ 03:06 PM
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Originally posted by Disclosed
What did you FOIA request to the FBI tell you then?


The FBI still has refused to release some information.

But i have good sites to get other information from. Like them only being there officially for 5 days.



[edit on 24-3-2008 by ULTIMA1]



posted on Mar, 24 2008 @ 03:20 PM
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Originally posted by ULTIMA1
The FBI still has refused to release some information.

But i have good sites to get other information from. Like them only being there officially for 5 days.


But how can that information be valid, since the FBI and NTSB were the only agencies performing the investigations? Isnt that what you said?

Otherwise, it is just speculation...



posted on Mar, 24 2008 @ 03:24 PM
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Originally posted by Disclosed
But how can that information be valid, since the FBI and NTSB were the only agencies performing the investigations?


Because as stated i have good sources.

www.defenselink.mil...

WASHINGTON, Sept. 24, 2001 -- The FBI assumed crime-scene jurisdiction at the Pentagon terrorist attack site Sept. 21 from the Arlington County (Va.) Fire Department, officials said.

FBI officials estimate the crime scene investigation would last about a month, Arlington Fire Chief Edward P. Plaugher said. He said he expects "additional remains will be discovered during the course of the FBI investigation" and mortuary specialists will remain on site to process them.



WASHINGTON, Sept. 26, 2001 -- The FBI handed over Pentagon crash site management to the Army Military District of Washington at 7 a.m. today.

The transfer of responsibility marks the end of the FBI's crime scene investigation following the Sept. 11 terrorist attack against the Pentagon. MDW will oversee ongoing security operations around the damaged area of the building. FBI investigators will move their operations to the Pentagon's north parking lot and continue to sift through debris for more evidence.




[edit on 24-3-2008 by ULTIMA1]



posted on Mar, 24 2008 @ 03:29 PM
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Another interesting point that non-conspiracy people should ask themselves is why Bin Laden isn't on the FBI's "10 most wanted list", and why they have said that there is no evidence he was involved in the events of 9/11.



posted on Mar, 24 2008 @ 06:15 PM
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Originally posted by jackinthebox
Don't mean to butt into someone else's conversation here, but your statement here makes about as much sense as something like, "Here you go Mister and Misses So-n-so. We're pretty sure these are the remains of your loved one. But we didn't bother to make a postitive I.D."


Yes, but under your scenario the loved one's head was recovered, which clearly showed they were the loved on in question and your demanding finger prints.

That's the issue.

Finger prints are not needed because of the overwhelming amount of other, supporting evidence that makes finger prints unnecessary.


[edit on 24-3-2008 by SlightlyAbovePar]



posted on Mar, 24 2008 @ 10:40 PM
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Now that is an interesting bit of info, Ultima. The FBI had control three full days at the Pentagon and handed the show over to the military on 7 am of the fifth day of what they expected to be a month-long investigation.

I don't know why debunkers always say they're incompetents--that's damn quick work there! And most of it done in a parking lot...



posted on Mar, 25 2008 @ 12:55 AM
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Originally posted by sir_chancealot
FACT: The NTSB is required BY LAW to investigate airplane crashes.


Actually by law if the airplane crash is considered a crime then by law the FBI investigates the crash with the NTSB providing technical help.



Originally posted by gottago
Now that is an interesting bit of info, Ultima. The FBI had control three full days at the Pentagon and handed the show over to the military on 7 am of the fifth day of what they expected to be a month-long investigation..


Yes, you would think that this being such a big attack on the US and a important crime scene that the FBI would have spent more then 5 days.



[edit on 25-3-2008 by ULTIMA1]



posted on Mar, 26 2008 @ 12:19 AM
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From Rock Creek Press:




First, the identities of the aircraft certainly were in question on 9/11. There was widespread confusion at the FAA and NORAD on the morning of 9/11, caused in part, by the numerous exercises, some involving simulated hijackings, which were also taking place that morning. The aircraft that crashed had different transponder codes from the passenger aircraft and transcripts of flight controller communications indicate a significant level of confusion as to the identity of the flights.

The plane which crashed at the Pentagon is particularly suspect since the FAA made no radar contact with the aircraft on its return flight over West Virginia and did not establish radar contact again until the plane reached Washington, DC, now with a different transponder code.

Secondly, there is ample evidence that serial numbered aircraft parts were in fact collected and identified by the FBI with the assistance of the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB). For example Carol Carmody, Vice-Chairman of NTSB said in published remarks from February 2002; “I ... assured FBI Director Mueller that we would assist in any way we could ... he called and said, ‘Could you send us some people to help find the black boxes and help identify aircraft parts.’”

The fact that the NTSB did comply with director Mueller’s request was corroborated by her boss NTSB Chairman Marion C. Blakey who testified to the 9/11 Commission that “Over 60 Safety Board employees worked around the clock in Virginia, Pennsylvania, New York, and at our headquarters in Washington, DC, assisting with aircraft parts identification”
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So another angle officials may indeed have the parts identified yet are not willing to share the info. Hmmm??????



posted on Mar, 26 2008 @ 01:16 AM
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Originally posted by Leo Strauss
So another angle officials may indeed have the parts identified yet are not willing to share the info. Hmmm??????


Yes, the FBI and FAA are still refusing to release part number information even through FOIA request.

But still working on it.



posted on Mar, 27 2008 @ 10:29 AM
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Originally posted by ULTIMA1
Yes, the FBI and FAA are still refusing to release part number information even through FOIA request.

But still working on it.


Now, if they actually did identify plane parts with numbers, why would they still be holding back in releasing that information?

It's just like the WTC construction documents.

Why hold this information back?

"National Security"?

For buildings and planes that don't exist anymore?




posted on Mar, 27 2008 @ 01:51 PM
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Originally posted by Griff
Now, if they actually did identify plane parts with numbers, why would they still be holding back in releasing that information?


Maybe becasue the part numbers do not match the 9/11 planes.



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