Pentagon DNA Evidence....Is it Possible?

reply to post by Craig Ranke CIT


No Craig... Don't spin it to fit YOU.

Try explaining your way through your claims:

-Civilian Contractors planting bombs in the Pentagon

-Civilian Firefighters finding the bodies in the Pentagon

-DMORT made up of civilians assisting the body identification

-Shall I go on? You are not blaming the govenment Craig.




[edit on 17-3-2008 by CaptainObvious]

Originally posted by CaptainObvious
reply to post by Craig Ranke CIT

 

"I did see airplane seats and a corpse still strapped to one of the seats."

What don't you get? He saw him STRAPPED. You can't pick and choose ONLY what you want to fit. Thats not how it works.

I have a question:

If the passengers and crew were herded to the backs of the planes, did they have them "strap" in for the collision?

This contradicts the old "herded to the back of the planes" scenario IMO.

reply to post by Craig Ranke CIT


I don't agree with your characterization of CO's post.

As an outside observer to your sparing with CO, it's obvious - at least to me - that you're not really interested in a debate. Your, IMO, more interested in playing semantic games.

You claim you had dinner with one of the principles in this post and that he can't keep his story straight. I assume you have a video of your interview, a transcript of the language used, or some other form of documentation other than your relation of the event?

IMO, claiming to use the scientific method is laughable. You claim to be a serious "investigator" but yet you ignore the overwhelming amount of evidence that demonstrates 9-11 was not an inside job because you say it's not relevant.

You mention that no trial would allow DNA evidence that was handled by defendant. You're wrong. But, that's not where the folly of logic stands. You're claiming that if any DNA evidence was collected, or tested, by "the man" then it is suspect. That's a strawman. It's a argument that can't possibly be addressed and you know it. That's why you make the argument. This is where conspiracy theories live. In the un-provable, the unattainable.

Since the DNA, in your mind, is totally suspect....can you prove any of it was tampered with? Have you investigated the chain-of-custody? The question wasn't have you read about the chain of custody, the question was have you, personally, investigated the chain-of-custody for the DNA samples? Have you interviewed those who "claim" to have done the testing? Where was the chain broken? Who broke the chain? How were the tests conducted? Who conducted the tests. Which protocol(s) did they use? What protocols were broken? Have you talked with those who took the samples you claim are somehow adulterated? Have you published a peer reviewed study on your findings? Where are your findings? What are the criticism of your findings, from your peer review? By your logic, is any DNA test sponsored by the government suspect? Who was "in on it" at the DNA testing facility? Which facility was used? Which day? These are but a few of the questions that should be explored.

Don't be absurd and claim your using the "scientific method" for anything. IMO, what you engage in is pseudo-science. If you think the DNA testing is suspect, great.

Prove it. Make your case.

reply to post by CaptainObvious


Huh?

What does any of that have to do with the topic?

The topic is in regards to an unverifiable claim that you ADMITTED you have no problem accepting proving you are perfectly willing to compromise the scientific method in order to accept the word of the government based on nothing but pure unadulterated faith.

Thanks for clarifying that for the readers of this forum. I give you props for publicly making such an admission.

reply to post by SlightlyAbovePar


The context of the conversation is set by the forum you are posting in which is "9/11 conspiracies".

So that means the suspect is the government.

Therefore all unverifiable evidence that was controlled and provided for solely by the suspect is invalid evidence to DISPROVE government involvement in the crime.

The alleged DNA evidence is unverifiable and therefore completely invalid when using the scientific method to determine government involvement in the event.

There is no way around this fact.

reply to post by Griff


Griff... Is there any statements that say that there were people standing? I am going by a statement by a person that WAS THERE. He saw a person STRAPPED in their seat.

CO

Originally posted by Craig Ranke CIT
Thanks for clarifying that for the readers of this forum. I give you props for publicly making such an admission.

I am starting a new reality show.... "Dancing With the Tin"....

Stop making appeals to other members in this forum. I know I am in the VAST minority in here as I do not look for friends.

What method was compromised??? Can you prove it?

WHY do you avoid questions about physical evidence?

WHY do you avoid questions about YOU accusing civilains of being involved?

CO,
I hope this does not thread jack, but I wonder if you can talk about the other ways that identities were proven. You know personal mementos that were found on the scene that proved who was in the plane.

I know for a fact this was used to prove who was on the plane and who was in the building.

Their identites were still confirmed by DNA evidence, which to my knowledge no one has challenged except the folks "who ain't playing."

reply to post by CaptainObvious


Perhaps you don't understand what I am claiming.

My claim is that within the context of an investigation into government involvement of the 9/11 attacks, unverifiable evidence controlled and provided for by the suspect is automatically invalid evidence in support of the government story.

This is a fact.

You refuse the scientific method when considering government involvement and are completely satisfied to accept the unverifiable word of the government as proof they are innocent.

Again...I'm sure this is no great surprise to the readers.....it's just refereshing to have you admit it.

Originally posted by CaptainObvious
Griff... Is there any statements that say that there were people standing? I am going by a statement by a person that WAS THERE. He saw a person STRAPPED in their seat.

CO

So, is it precedure to herd all the passengers and crew to the back of the plane (Betty Ong's transcript) and then have them strap in?

BTW, was this person in their recorded flight seat or a seat in the back of the plane?

reply to post by COOL HAND


COOL,

There was a group dispatched to the Pentagon. The 311th Quartermaster Company (Mortuary Affairs), a U.S. Army Reserve unit from Aguadilla, Puerto Rico. The ones that "ain't playin" will see them as perps as well...

Within 72 hours of their departure from Puerto Rico, they were working side-by-side with the FBI in the Pentagon's north parking lot, sifting through tons of debris for the remains of victims. After completing that task, the company shifted operations to nearby Fort Myer, Virginia, and went to work identifying and cleaning personal effects to be returned to survivors and the families of victims.

americanhistory.si.edu...

Now...this was after a quick search. I will have to read through some other papers to find how personal items were used in idenfication.

Just to add...this is a diagram of the locations of remains in the Pentagon. (1st floor only)

the Bllue denotes Flight 77 remains. The yellow is Pentagon employees.

reply to post by Griff


Griff... WTF dude? Does finding one person strapped in mean they were ALL strapped in? I doubt it. I don't know who the victim was.

Fact of the matter is, the govt claims that a plane flew into the pentagon. WHERES THE VIDEO

There are claims of a body strapped into a seat, WHERES THE IMAGES?
There were other photos released of charred bodys inside the pentagon, why not release the one image that would help there story? Because it doesnt exsist and it was not there to begin with.

One person saying he saw something is NOT evidence. no matter what his affiliation or status.

And i still find it simply moronic that this topic is still even debated, they couldnt find 90% of the plane METAL

But they found 99% of the passengers and crew FLESH AND BONE. This flesh and bone had to travel through the plane that evapourated upon impact.

Originally posted by CaptainObvious
Griff... WTF dude? Does finding one person strapped in mean they were ALL strapped in? I doubt it. I don't know who the victim was.

Well, since this person's DNA was supossedly matched. They would know who this person was. Correct?

Was this passenger moved from their original seat? That is my question.

Originally posted by Retikx
And i still find it simply moronic that this topic is still even debated, they couldnt find 90% of the plane METAL

But they found 99% of the passengers and crew FLESH AND BONE. This flesh and bone had to travel through the plane that evapourated upon impact.

I wasn't going to go there. But, you bring up an excellent point.

Originally posted by Griff
Was this passenger moved from their original seat? That is my question.

How can they prove that?

Do they put the seat numbers on the seat as well as on the overhead?

Do the seats have any kind of id marks on them for their location on the plane?

Originally posted by COOL HAND
How can they prove that?

Do they put the seat numbers on the seat as well as on the overhead?

Do the seats have any kind of id marks on them for their location on the plane?

Well, we have the seating arrangement. We have this person's DNA match. We have the seat number that would have been found. What's so hard with putting 1+1+1=3?

BTW: I don't know the answers to these questions. Hence why I am asking.

[edit on 3/17/2008 by Griff]

reply to post by Retikx


there is no video, because if you believe the Gov, then it looks like all they were prepared for was a Brinks Heist through the front door, nothing AERIAL and surely not anything to identify the AERIAL target!!

reply to post by Griff


Don't bring it up. Unless you can back it up.

99% of the flesh and bones were NOT recovered. All but 1 passengers were identified. 4 people in the Pentagon were not identified.

There is nothing that states 99% of the flesh and bones were discovered.

Did anyone see the Space Shuttle Columbia blow up on re-entry? Did anyone see pictures of the bodies or the remains?

NO!


COOL HAND...

Here is some more info for you...

The following approach was applied to the recovery of Pentagon Incident fatalities: When a victim was located, work in the area was halted to protect the body, personal belongings, and evidence. An FBI evidence team (one of several on constant standby in front of the collapse) would document the site and gather evidence. If physical extrication was required, a Rescue Squad from the assigned US&R task force was given this task. The next step in the process was a Military Mortuary Team who collected and removed the victim from the building.

All the debris removed from the building was spread out by the heavy equipment, and (on the signal of the IST US&R Specialist) the equipment would stop and Canine Search Teams from the US&R Task Forces would deploy across the material in search of any scent indicating human remains. Then US&R Search Team members would conduct a physical search for remains, crawling and walking over all the debris. Finally, after being searched three or more times, the debris would be loaded into trucks with skip loaders, where it would be taken to one of the Pentagon parking lots to be further combed for human remains and evidence by the FBI, ATF, Military units, and the Arlington Police Department. (p. 8)

www.ukfssart.org.uk...

reply to post by SlightlyAbovePar


I have to side with Craig. Clearly, the CIA is a murderous organization that has been involved with all kinds of nasty projects over the years. The U.S gov at one time planned "fake terrorism" in U.S cities, and there is involvement with Gladio which is "fake terrorism".

So to suspect the Gov, or the CIA is perfectly natural especially when you see they had no real interest in Bin laden, but Saddam and his OIL.

[edit on 17-3-2008 by talisman]