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Pentagon DNA Evidence....Is it Possible?

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posted on Mar, 23 2008 @ 01:23 AM
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Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by Disclosed
Other than the DNA evidence, body fragments, and personal effects?


Please show me an official report that states the bodies from the planes were in the buildings.

The official report has not been released by the FBI and NTSB yet.

Silly boy...



The fragmants and personal effects does not show bodies from the planes being in the buildings, they can be from people that wer ein the building.


The Pentagon stole the personal effects from the plane passengers? Purses, wallets, luggage, etc?

Damn govt thieves...cant trust any of them, especially the NSA.




posted on Mar, 23 2008 @ 01:37 AM
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Originally posted by Disclosed
The official report has not been released by the FBI and NTSB yet.


So you admit you have no evidence to support your opinion or the official story then?



posted on Mar, 23 2008 @ 01:46 AM
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Originally posted by ULTIMA1
So you admit you have no evidence to support your opinion or the official story then?


Why does someone who agrees with most of the NIST, FEMA and 911commission reports always have to provide additional evidence?

Does the general public have better access to information and evidence than the FBI, NTSB, FEMA, and 911commission?



posted on Mar, 23 2008 @ 01:49 AM
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Originally posted by Disclosed
Why does someone who agrees with most of the NIST, FEMA and 911commission reports always have to provide additional evidence?


But you agree that the actual evidence has not been released by the FBI and NTSB, so you have no actual evidence to support your theory or the official story.



posted on Mar, 23 2008 @ 01:53 AM
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Originally posted by ULTIMA1
But you agree that the actual evidence has not been released by the FBI and NTSB, so you have no actual evidence to support your theory or the official story.


This is the third thread in less than an hour that you have repeated that question on....



posted on Mar, 23 2008 @ 01:58 AM
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Originally posted by Disclosed
This is the third thread in less than an hour that you have repeated that question on....


Because it has not gotten through to you yet.



posted on Mar, 23 2008 @ 02:01 AM
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Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by Disclosed
This is the third thread in less than an hour that you have repeated that question on....


Because it has not gotten through to you yet.


Please make yourself familiar with the forum rules:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

1h.) Spamming: You will not post identical content, or snippets of identical content, to multiple threads in the discussion forums. You will also not create more than one thread for your topic, or create multiple "slightly different" threads for a single topic.



posted on Mar, 23 2008 @ 02:11 AM
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Originally posted by Disclosed
Please make yourself familiar with the forum rules:


Nice way to try to bypass answering a topic. Just proves you cannot answer me with facts and evidnece.

[edit on 23-3-2008 by ULTIMA1]



posted on Mar, 23 2008 @ 08:54 AM
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First of all Ultima....

you may find this a little interesting:


Matching remains with victims of the Pennsylvania and Pentagon crashes was easier than the work in New York because authorities first traced all known victims through Pentagon records and passenger lists. Medical examiners then secured DNA from victims' personal items, such as hairbrushes, and matched it against bone and tissue fragments collected at the crash scenes, says Brion Smith, director of the military's DNA registry at the time. New York City officials were unable to complete a final list of those killed until January 2004.


www.usatoday.com...



Now in response to your question regard personal items.

I'm sure you remember one of my posts regarding the 3 year old girl who was not identified out of all the passengers? Well her grandmother did an interview a couple years ago:



Ruth's 45-year-old daughter Leslie Whittington, her husband, Charles Falkenberg, and their two daughters, Zoe, 8, and Dana, 3, were passengers on the plane. The family, who lived in Washington, was heading to Australia, where Whittington, a Georgetown University professor, would work as a guest lecturer at the Australian National University in Canberra.

Those four marked the largest family group killed in the terrorist attacks.



"The fact it was so violent is hard to deal with," Ruth Koch said, noting she'd thought about how the couple must have felt in those last moments, knowing their two little girls would die.

During an interview earlier this week,Koch delicately handled eerie mementos of the crash found during cleanup: Whittington's battered driver's license. One granddaughters' luggage tag.




a burnt luggage tag and a wedding ring lie on a book dedicated to those lost in the events of Sept. 11, 2001. The wedding ring belonged to Ruth's daughter and the luggage tag belonged to one her granddaughters.



posted on Mar, 23 2008 @ 09:12 AM
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Originally posted by CaptainObvious
you may find this a little interesting:


And still no real evidence that the bodies form the planes were in the buildings.

Also i guess you did not see the FBI report that agents were picking up and taking items from the crime scenes which means those itmes cannot be actuall used as evidence.



posted on Mar, 23 2008 @ 09:17 AM
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Ultima...

What were you hoping for? A video of the search and rescue? Really...you are just proving to us all how you love to move the goal posts.

what is your theory? It's been 6 years. Tell me what you think happened.

I already told you what I know happened.

Your turn... tell me/us what you "think" happened.

Don't try the old cop out of "Im still doing research". It's been OVER 6 years and you have some idea as to what you think may have happened.

Lets hear it.



posted on Mar, 23 2008 @ 09:46 AM
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Originally posted by CaptainObvious
What were you hoping for? A video of the search and rescue? Really...you are just proving to us all how you love to move the goal posts.

what is your theory? It's been 6 years. Tell me what you think happened.



I am looking for the truth of what happened that day.

You have no theory, you only repeat what you have seen on TV.



posted on Mar, 23 2008 @ 09:50 AM
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EXACTLY the response I expected from you. You posted several questions in here. They were answered. You insisted on moving the goals posts without even commenting on facts that were clearly pointed out to you.


GAME,


SET,


MATCH.


You've got nothing that supports any theory you may have. You will not post your theory because you know it will get taken apart easily.

For someone that is searching for the truth. You are VERY good at ignoring it.



posted on Mar, 23 2008 @ 09:55 AM
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Originally posted by CaptainObvious
You posted several questions in here. They were answered.


No one has answered the question with evidence that the bodies from the planes were in the buildings.

Also the fact remains that bodies were identified before the new DNA testing was completed. (which does not help a criminal investigation)

[edit on 23-3-2008 by ULTIMA1]



posted on Mar, 23 2008 @ 10:06 AM
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I have posted statements from eyewitnesses that saw bodies STRAPPED IN THEIR SEATS! Do folks working at the Pentagon wear seat belts while in their offices??


Many were sitting at their desks or behind partitions. One woman was found frozen in a sitting position, her arms posed as if reading a document.

Several bodies were found huddled in groups near televisions. Pentagon workers were apparently watching the carnage taking place at the World Trade Center when the hellish scene on TV became reality for them, too.

When Williams discovered the scorched bodies of several airline passengers, they were still strapped into their seats. The stench of charred flesh overwhelmed him.

"It was the worst thing you can imagine," said Williams, whose squad from Fort Belvoir, Va., entered the building, less than four hours after the terrorist attack. "I wanted to cry from the minute I walked in. But I have soldiers under me and I had to put my feelings aside."
www.usatoday.com...

We have addressed the DNA issues over and over. Why didn't you comment on the plane crash the vaporized the airplane back in 1999 after a fire and crash? All victims were identified.

Again Ultima.... please tell me what happened at the Pentagon. Remember it's been 6 years... you must have SOME idea as to what happened?

[edit on 23-3-2008 by CaptainObvious]



posted on Mar, 23 2008 @ 12:47 PM
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When Williams discovered the scorched bodies of several airline passengers, they were still strapped into their seats. The stench of charred flesh overwhelmed him.

Besides the fact that eye-witness testimony is unreliable, the quote above is not a quote. It's just the reporter saying this. Yes perhaps Williams said this to him, but we don't know that for sure do we.

In that same piece from your usatoday link, it is also stated that:

Members of Congress who toured the site Thursday said rescue officials reported that much of the fuselage of the hijacked airplane remains intact in the ruins.


If you look at the available photo evidence there is no evidence that much of the fuselage of the plane remained intact or that any seats were found.


[edit on 23-3-2008 by Willie911]



posted on Mar, 23 2008 @ 12:53 PM
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Originally posted by ULTIMA1
I am looking for the truth of what happened that day.

You have no theory, you only repeat what you have seen on TV.



After 7 years...and you still have no theory?

...and to think you are complaining they havent released the official reports yet, when you dont even have a THEORY after this long.



posted on Mar, 23 2008 @ 02:41 PM
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look capt. oblivious, how come, the government, will not release data from the virtually indestructable black boxes on those plains, how come, they deny even recovering them, they are designed to withstand far greater, pressures that they could have been exposed to on 9-11, where is youre explanation for that?

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posted on Mar, 23 2008 @ 04:05 PM
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Look will people here please start using the brains they were born with, what I and others are saying that DNA evidence of the people on ther plane that hit the Pentagon dose not mean that the bodies were at the Pentagon site.

Hearsay evidence of people alleged to have been at the site is not proof or facts. The official story I may remind you that the plane entered the building, was completed ly shredded, incuding its contents and was then comsummed by the fire that totally vapourised the plane. That my friends is the official line. So a complete plane can be consummed by fire yet personal effects and intact bodies can remain, bodies in which viable DNA can be extracted.

Perhaps the learned colleagues here wopuld like to explain the physics of how steel andother metals can vapourise in a fire but mashed bodies and personnel effects cannot. Does anyone even have a grasp of what happens to bodies at such impacts. In a normal air crash bodies can be found whole or in dozens odf peieces depending on the character of the accident etc.

But to take a plane with a full load of fuel crash it into a reinforced building at high speed and then abake the plane and its contents for hours and then expect to find whole biodies and personal effects is simply ridiculous.

Of the Concorde disaster " some of the passengers are thought, quite simply to have disintergrated" That was an accident in open ground with the plane coming into contact with the ground a relatively low speed. Check the details of any air accident. In virtually every one not all victims can be identified yet here we have a plane comlpetely vapourised yet passengers have been found intact in their seats.

Again how dose a plane vapourise but not its contents and given that all the alleged plane and its contents were cooked inside the Pentagon. Scientists came out of the woodwork to say the the plane was turned into a liquid that plowed throuth the building and was totally detroyed. Obviously human tissue and bone are stronger than steel and concrete. No wings no engines, no under carriage nothing but a few scraps of metal but intack bodies still in their seats, luggage etc.

And while we are on the subject of evidence how difficult is it to burn a passengers luggage and present that and other effects and say they were found at the site. The whole story of a plane hitting the Pentagon is bogus and to date no diffinative proof has been made public to prove beyond all reasonable doubt that a plane hit the Pentagon. Where is all the security camera footage from the Pentagon and cameras external to the site.

If the proof is there then let it be seen but the powers that be wont will they because the know they cannot replicate such an event to make it appear real.



posted on Mar, 23 2008 @ 04:21 PM
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M.M.,

I think you are mistaken.

Not all of the plane "vaporized".

Not all of the bodies were recovered.

Not all of the victims were identified.

This is NOT the first time DNA was recovered from a massive airplane crash.

If you read back several pages you will see an airliner that crashed in the ocean AFTER it caught on fire. The airplane was reported to have "Vaproized" when it hit the water.

YET...there were remains identified for all passengers.


The Swissair McDonnell Douglas MD-11 caught fire in flight, for reasons not yet determined, and virtually disintegrated when it hit the water some 40 miles south of Halifax, Nova Scotia. Yet because of modern engineering and science, including what Canadian officials say is the largest use of DNA testing thus far, about 90 percent of the recovered remains were identified. The family of every victim was given at least a fragment to honor in individual ceremonies, as their feelings or religious traditions dictated.

query.nytimes.com...




[edit on 23-3-2008 by CaptainObvious]



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