Lord Rothschild Backs John McCain

reply to post by NovusOrdoMundi


Backed by Bush? Only because he's a Republican. If you'll remember the 2004 election, Bush made his thoughts on McCain pretty clear. Even the luncheon he hosted for McCain was a farce...with McCain repeatedly pointing out how busy Bush would be soooo busy....please...don't take any time from your busy schedule to stump with me! (with the unsaid implication being "Please!! Forget my name!!") I think he's terrified of being linked to Bush too often.

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[edit on 3/18/08 by themillersdaughter]

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Still wondering what your explanation would be for my question posted on the last page.......

reply to post by Rockpuck


It's true that I'm not really sure what a Libertarian is.
It's probably ignorance on my part..well, I know it is...but I can't see a Libertarian becoming President anytime soon. I'm a Democrat that believes in capital punishment (not the current system of applying it, as it's geared only to the poor).

I don't know if you've seen the political compass test...it takes about 10 minutes, but it's pretty interesting to see where one might line up, politically speaking. I landed right next to the Dalai Lama..or..wait..maybe t was Gandhi...anyway...it was about halfway between Libertarianism and Communism.

You can take it here: www.politicalcompass.org... From there, if you're interested, you can read about how they developed the test. It isn't a 'blogthings' kind of test.

They have the results of the candidates listed, as well. I think Mike Gravel was the closest to my actual thinking. But Ron Paul seemed hopeful.

On the other hand, I don't want to waste my vote on someone who will not be able to win. I can't help but think that Ralph Nader, while being a model citizen, was a spoiler and we might have had a different President..not once...but twice...if it weren't for him. (I dont know how many votes he got in Ohio and Florida-- I could just be displaying my ignorance.)

And this is in response to the poster who said to not worry about the primaries....if we don't vote in the primaries, how do we make our choice for the party nominee known? If a whole lot of people hadn't voted, they would've already handed Hillary the nomination (it seems they wanted to long ago).

As a woman, yes, I'd love to see a woman be elected....but not just any woman! A woman with some integrity would be my preference.

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I was thinking!

This is not a one line post

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Interesting test. I have taken several different kinds of those tests, and I always come out with a different answer lol.. guess its how I feel that day.

This test said I am "Authoritarian Left".. Which.. I don't know how it came to that lol. Last time I was right next to Hitler (I believe that one is actually on my MySpace page)..

But what I find.. Odd to say the least about this test is that its divided Authoritarian / Libertarian and then divided between Left and Right for each grouping..

That makes no sense to me..

From Right to Left this is a graph of political ideologies.

Anarchy - Libertarianism - Republican/conservative - Democratic/Liberal - Socialist - Communist

I cannot fathom the possibility of a "Liberal Libertarian" ..

Because Libertarianism .. true Libertarianism is the complete absence of the Government in individual lives.. including being removed from the States..

Essentially under a Libertarianism government the Federal Government would be highly limited..

Where as under any Liberal system the government is in everyones daily affairs.. high taxes, business regulations, individual regulations, a Federal system of education, healthcare, welfare, medicair.. all these things to a Libertarian are considered Unconstitutional..

In fact.. it would be considered unconstitutional for the government to give ANYONE any kind of aid in forms like welfare and medicare and all that junk..

To say that someone could be a left leaning libertarian.. whats leaning left? .. would you want massive federal aid to social programs, yet not have the government be so intrusive in our lives? Seems like an oxymoron to me.. a conflict of interest.

Of course, no one is absolute on what party they stand for.. I consider my self a pretty strict Libertarian, I despise any form of government involvement in State and individual affairs.. however not all of my views are Libertarian.. some are quite far left such as my beliefs in ecology and that the Government should spend/do a LOT more to protect the enviroment..

But the very fundementals of "what is a Libertarian" is government involvement.. which is the fundemental basics to what a Liberal is - the State should care for the people..

Though I can see why someone from the Left side of things would want to vote for Paul.. hes very anti war.. but not because war hurts people.. because Libertarians are by nature Issolationist, and so also anti Free Trade with systems like NAFTA, the UN, NATO or any organization like that.. including the World Court.

He wants to eradicate the IRS and use a fair tax system, however, to do such a thing almost every single social program will have to be cut, to drastically reduce spending.. so no ore Medicare, Welfare, Social Security

Not trying to tell you what your ideologies are.. actually, more or less just rambling lol.

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I vote and work full time....why are we screwed unless it's a national holiday? That's just silly....LOL!

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What I found fascinating about the whole thing was the graphic that showed where the current candidates fall on this particular test. Every single one of them, except for Mike Gravel and Dennis Kucinich were in the same quadrant, (upper right hand corner) um...Authoritarian Conservative.....I think. ALL of them!! I guess this just gives credence to the people saying 'they are basically the same. The development of the test is explained on their home page...it goes into detail explaining why it isn't the same old 'left/right' configuration.

Reply to Closet-trekkie: I don't think anyone contends we are screwed because we vote on Tuesday...it was just one of the questions I had about the procedure...why Tuesday? Why not a national holiday to vote? Why not make it mandatory when so much else already is? I mean...is labor day REALLY so much more important than a national election?

I think it's to make it harder for the average citizen to vote. You're lucky that it hasn't been a hardship for you. Not everyone can say the same. Sometimes, it's the difference between one having a job on Wednesday. That's a tough choice to be forced to make. If I were forced to make that choice, I'm not sure I would vote. Not every polling station has adequate machines....people had to wait for hours to be able to vote in 2004. My daughter waited with other college students all day (missing all the classes she had scheduled). There has to be a better way.

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Yes I thought the same thing.. I don't know how they came to those conclusions, if its based on what they say or what policies they supported. I for one consider Bush to be highly Authoritarian, but not so far right.. I believe they had him half way Authoritarian and almost all the way right..

I would throw all of the candidates in the middleish area and all of them highly authoritarian as they all support strong government involvement in individual lives.

It just seems to me that not a single candidate is .. genuine.. and I believe that many people support Paul, even though normally they would not support his policies simply because he does not play politics like everyone else. He has an air of genuinness about him.

Originally posted by NovusOrdoMundi
That should say it all. McCain is in the CFR, he's backed by Rothschilds, he's backed by the Bush family, he's backed by Bilderberg criminal Henry Kissinger, his advisers are calling for the destruction of Islam...

Seriously.... McCain is a joke. Not even worth discussing.

This election has been rigged in the Democrats favor since early last year. I find it hard to believe that people really think the Republican party is in this race.

The Republican party has been disowned by America. McCain is nothing.

The Democrats won't save us but... McCain is nothing.

Originally posted by NewWorldOver

Originally posted by NovusOrdoMundi
That should say it all. McCain is in the CFR, he's backed by Rothschilds, he's backed by the Bush family, he's backed by Bilderberg criminal Henry Kissinger, his advisers are calling for the destruction of Islam...

Seriously.... McCain is a joke. Not even worth discussing.

This election has been rigged in the Democrats favor since early last year. I find it hard to believe that people really think the Republican party is in this race.

The Republican party has been disowned by America. McCain is nothing.

The Democrats won't save us but... McCain is nothing.

Not to blast you- but McCain is something. He is dangerous, insane and a total warmonger who knows absolutely nothing about different cultures- admittedly so! The fact is, McCain is going to be the president and this coup was cooked up the neocons to keep republicans in power forever. Clinton basically walked this dooche into office. With Rothchild/Rockefeller money there is no stopping this from happening. The worst case is Bush will declare Martial law and keep himself in power.

Its gonna be McCain or Bush. Get used to it. When someone has that kind of money behind them its crazy to blow them off as irrelevant because this will effect us all.