9/11 What evidence would make you believe in a conspiracy?

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by _Del_
Clearer proof cannot be provided that the plane was in fact 50% (or more) lead.

I did not see any evindece to debate the sources i posted that it was made of titanium.., sorry you failed again.

You simply can't admit that you are wrong. I'm going to keep posting my evidence over and over again, until you can finally read for yourself and decide/admit that I am right. If you did your own research and left your biases at home, you'd see that my information is correct and the plane is undoubtedly made mostly of lead.

www.aviation.ru...

Lead Sled Lockheed SR-71 Blackbird

[edit on 16-5-2008 by _Del_]

Originally posted by _Del_
I'm going to keep posting my evidence over and over again, until you can finally read for yourself and decide/admit that I am right.

All you have is a nickname that is not proof alone. Show me actual sources that state the plane is made mostly of lead.

Why didn't you post the other 3 planes that have the same nickname?

I have sources that support the nickname of the F-4, that it is made with a lot of steel.


[edit on 16-5-2008 by ULTIMA1]

Originally posted by ULTIMA1
All you have is a nickname that is not proof alone.

How typical that you ignore my research and focus on my inability to comprehend what I read and my signature lack of intelligence. When you want to discuss this like an adult, get back to me.
The proof is clear. I have posted lots of data supporting my otherwise baseless theory.

www.aviation.ru...
forum.keypublishing.co.uk...
www.csd.uwo.ca...

Lead Sled Lockheed SR-71 Blackbird

Originally posted by _Del_
How typical that you ignore my research and focus on my inability to comprehend what I read and my signature lack of intelligence.

Speaking of ignoring research, you ignored all the sources i posted that states the SR-71 is made of titanium. You also ignore the sources that the F-4 is made of a lot of steel.

Too bad you cannot post any source that states the SR-71 is made out of lead.

If you want to prove you are intelligent just be adult enough to admit you are wrong about the SR-71 being made of lead.



[edit on 16-5-2008 by ULTIMA1]

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by _Del_
How typical that you ignore my research and focus on my inability to comprehend what I read and my signature lack of intelligence.

Speaking of ignoring research, you ignored all the sources i posted that states the SR-71 is made of titanium.

I've posted sources showing the nickname of the plane was the "Lead Sled." Here I will type slowly for you.


www.afa.org...
en.wikipedia.org...
www.combatindex.com...
www.aviation.ru...
www.wvi.com...
www.tgplanes.com...
forum.keypublishing.co.uk...
www.csd.uwo.ca...

When you can refute all these claims and show that it was not called the "lead sled" then I will take the rest of your data seriously. Why do you ignore the evidence?

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Maybe you can explain why it would called "STEEL STALLION"... OR "IRON HOG"

Lets looks at the nicknames used for the F-4 Phantom:

www.warbirdalley.com...

Nicknames: Double Ugly; Rhino; Old Smokey; Elephant (Luftwaffe nickname); Tomb (early RAF nickname); Kurnass (Israeli nickname meaning "Hammer")

en.wikipedia.org...

Nicknames
The Phantom gathered a number of nicknames during its career. Some of these names included "Rhino", "Double Ugly", the "Flying Anvil", "Flying Footlocker", "Flying Brick", "Lead Sled", the "Big Iron Sled" and the "Louisville Slugger". In recognition of its record of downing large numbers of Soviet-built MiGs, it was called the "World’s Leading Distributor of MiG Parts" As a reflection of excellent performance in spite of bulk, it was dubbed "the triumph of thrust over aerodynamics." German Luftwaffe crews called their F-4s the Eisensau ("Iron Pig"), Fliegender Ziegelstein ("Flying Brick") and Luftverteidigungsdiesel ("Air Defense Diesel").

Where is that infamous "Steel Stallion"? Almost sounds like a porn name, rather than a fighter jet.

Originally posted by _Del_
I've posted sources showing the nickname of the plane was the "Lead Sled." Here I will type slowly for you.

I WILL MAKE THIS AS SIMPLE AS I CAN.

I DID NOT ASK FOR NICKINAMES I ASKED FOR SOURCES TO PROVE WHAT THE PLANE IS ACTULLY MADE OF.

CAN YOU SHOW A SOURCE THAT STATES THE PLANE IS MADE OF LEAD, YES OR NO?

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by jfj123
Conspiracy theorists believe the US government created 9/11 and knowingly killed thousands of US citizens.

Why is someone looking for the truth considered an conspiracy theorists?

A person who believes in a conspiracy, and theorizes about it would be called a conspiracy theorist. Based on your posts, you are a conspiracy theorist.

But what would you like to be called? truthers? what???

Is it just becasue they disagree with what you believe ?

NO.

Also if you read the rest of my psot you would see that i also e-mailed companies that were at ground zero.

Yes I read the rest of your post but since I wasn't responding to that part of that, I didn't respond to that part of it

My point ONLY revolved around FOIA requests. Had my point revolved around emails, I would have mentioned something about emails but since I didn't mention anything about emails, you can assume my post had nothing to do with emails which is why I didn't mention emails

Originally posted by Disclosed
Lets looks at the nicknames used for the F-4 Phantom:

Its just too bad you cannot do research to debate that fact the F-4 is made from a lot of steel.

But i can show research to debate the SR-71 is made of lead.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1
Its just too bad you cannot do research to debate that fact the F-4 is made from a lot of steel.

But you reported the F-4 was made of MOSTLY steel, which was proven wrong. Real research was provided with the correct numbers.

Originally posted by jfj123
A person who believes in a conspiracy, and theorizes about it would be called a conspiracy theorist. Based on your posts, you are a conspiracy theorist.

I am just a person looking for the truth, i did not know looking for the truth was considered a conspiracy.

Actully the only real conspiracy theory is the official story, since it is based on a conspiracy of terrorist hijacking planes.

My point ONLY revolved around FOIA requests. Had my point revolved around emails,

Well i like do total research so i do FOIAs and e-mails along with normal research.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1
Its just too bad you cannot do research to debate that fact the F-4 is made from a lot of steel.

No one questioned the presence of steel in the F-4. We questioned the statement that is was "mostly steel". I haven't seen anything to support that claim, although we are all waiting.

Originally posted by Disclosed
But you reported the F-4 was made of MOSTLY steel, which was proven wrong. Real research was provided with the correct numbers.

No i was not proven wrong. I have posted several sources to the large amount of steel in the F-4, no one has posted a source to debate them.

Originally posted by _Del_
No one questioned the presence of steel in the F-4. We questioned the statement that is was "mostly steel". I haven't seen anything to support that claim, although we are all waiting.

Well you need to go back and read the source about the amounf of steel needed in the engine bays for a heat shield, and then figure that amount in with the amount of steel in the rest of the airframe and the engines.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1
Well you need to go back and read the source about the amounf of steel needed in the engine bays for a heat shield, and then figure that amount in with the amount of steel in the rest of the airframe and the engines.

I'm thinking you're not going to make up the difference of the 30 some odd thousand pound aircraft with your 13 hundred pounds. In the immortal words of Ultima: "Keep trying"


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Lead Sled Lockheed SR-71 Blackbird

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by jfj123
A person who believes in a conspiracy, and theorizes about it would be called a conspiracy theorist. Based on your posts, you are a conspiracy theorist.

I am just a person looking for the truth, i did not know looking for the truth was considered a conspiracy.

Actully the only real conspiracy theory is the official story, since it is based on a conspiracy of terrorist hijacking planes.

So according to you no matter what side you're on in the debate, it's acceptable to be called a conspiracy theorist so you don't need to ask me why I'd call you one any more

My point ONLY revolved around FOIA requests. Had my point revolved around emails,

Well i like do total research so i do FOIAs and e-mails along with normal research.

That's fine but like I said, I wouldn't expect FOIA requests to be in any way fruitful as they would never release info that would prove them guilty of mass murder and treason

Originally posted by ULTIMA1
No i was not proven wrong. I have posted several sources to the large amount of steel in the F-4, no one has posted a source to debate them.

Large amount of steel does NOT mean MOSTLY.

You even stated metal amounts here:

Originally posted by ULTIMA1
So when you add all those parts together, and i even give you a beak on the steel the numbers come out to the following.

50% aluminum
40 % steel
10% titanium.

Education and experience would show that 40% is not MOST. the MOST in your example is Aluminum.

Originally posted by _Del_
I'm thinking you're not going to make up the difference of the 30 some odd thousand pound aircraft with your 13 hundred pounds.

Well i see you did not add in the rest of the airframe and the engines.

Still waiting for a source that states the SR-71 is made of lead. DO you have anyhthing from Lockheed, otherwise its just your opinion?

[edit on 16-5-2008 by ULTIMA1]

Originally posted by Disclosed
You even stated metal amounts here:
50% aluminum
40 % steel
10% titanium.

I haven't seen the 40% steel from any source other than Ultima himself, either.

Originally posted by Disclosed
50% aluminum
40 % steel
10% titanium.

And i stand by those numbers since they have not ben proven wrong by evidence.

Lets look at the steel in the F-4.

1. Keel and rear sections.

2. Tail section.

3. Tail hook assembly.

4. Landing gear and wheel wells.

5. Engine bays

6. Engines.