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Originally posted by Wizard_In_The_Woods
Well I have to disagree. Ultima1 has never misstated ANYTHING. Whilst his/her views may not be as radical as mine -- due to a more carefully skeptic nature perhaps -- all of Ultima's posts are rock-solid. And this person is one of the most consistent posters on ATS.
Originally posted by ULTIMA1
Thats funny coming from soneone that cannot post any real evidnece to support their claims of the official story.
Originally posted by Seymour Butz
You disrespect all who have served as crew chiefs when you make statements like this in order to make a point.
Originally posted by Seymour Butz[/i
I'm asking for somekind of proof that backs up your statement that an F-4 is mostly steel.
Originally posted by KarmaIncarnate
The phantom design makes extensive use of titanium (read: not steel) throughout the airframe.
Originally posted by weedwhacker
the F-4B....about 7.7% titanium. The F-4J....about 8.5% titanium.
Originally posted by ULTIMA1
Gee you really do not know much. About 10% of the F-4 is tatanium including the titanium heatshield around the engines.
Also you forget the steel in the engines and following locations.
The fuselage is an all-metal semi-monocoque structure.
Keel and rear sections make use of steel and titanium.
The tail unit is a cantilever all-metal structure.
Ribs and stringers of tailplane are of steel, skin titanium and trailing-edge of steel honeycomb.
Originally posted by weedwhackerYou wrote "about 10%tatanium" (think you meant titanium).....but you care to refute Boeing's own data? So be it....
Originally posted by KarmaIncarnate
I've yet to see you cite a single source for any of your "facts".
Originally posted by ULTIMA1
So when you add all those parts together, and i even give you a beak on the steel the numbers come out to the following.
50% aluminum
40 % steel
10% titanium.
Originally posted by ULTIMA1
Originally posted by weedwhackerYou wrote "about 10%tatanium" (think you meant titanium).....but you care to refute Boeing's own data? So be it....
I am not refuting their data, but they are not including the engines, i am.
Originally posted by ULTIMA1
If you want a source all you have to do is ask nicely. I can post sources, unlike others on here.
en.wikipedia.org...
The engine itself was encased in a titanium heatshield.
Originally posted by weedwhacker
Still....ULTIMA, your exact words were, regarding the F-4, it was "mostly steel"....judging by your most recent post, you've modified your earlier contention by nearly 10%.....but even 40% is not 'mostly'.....
Originally posted by KarmaIncarnate
The what you say?! First off, Wikipedia isn't a legitimate source. Secondly, even if it were a legitimate source,
Originally posted by ULTIMA1
And if you would ever read my post you would see that i stated that was giving a break on the steel so you guys wouldn't cry and whine so much.