9/11 What evidence would make you believe in a conspiracy?

How do you know?


Again, how do you KNOW this is true?

No.


I actually don't have a side. I am interested ONLY in finding the truth. Nothing more, nothing less. In my search for the truth, I do try and employ the innocent until proven guilty idea as it's a good way to handle any type of investigation, even if it is an amateur doing so.


What can I get with point? How do points help me on ATS. Seriously, I honestly don't know.
And I really am not trying to p!ss off anyone.


Yes, we like to be called DA's for short. I work for the government by coming on ATS and annoying people by asking legitimate questions. Oops as a DA, I should've known better telling you I'm a DA. Wait, I didn't just say that either.
Ok forget everything you just read about me telling you I'm a DA. DAMN!! I did it again!! Ok forget that too ok?


The only evidence I can show you is the NIST final report.


I know thousands of people died and those who were involved should be punished-WHOMEVER they are.


All I want is to find out who was involved.

I appreciate your participation.
Please keep in mind that the only reason I started this thread was a favor for another member.

Very well said. Thanks for your posts.

Why should I support the official information any more than it is now? It answers all of my questions, and has disproven a LOT of CT's claims already. There are things that may be questionable now, but should be clarified once the official report is released.

The pull it comment was in regard to pulling people out, not dropping the building.

corroborated by firefighter Richard Banaciski :


and Fire Chief Daniel Nigro:


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That wasn't what the topic starter asked, though. They asked what it would take to prove to me that there was a greater conspiracy. Again, I believe there was one. I just don't know for a fact that there was.

My perspective is as follows:
At this point in time, I don't believe the government was involved in orchestrating 9/11. I believe that because those who we trusted to protect us , were asleep at the switch, 9/11 happened. At that point the BUTT covering began. You can't really blame one person without blaming everyone from individual government agents right up to the president. Since nobody is going to volunteer to be the one responsible for thousands of deaths and billions of dollars in damage, nobody really got blamed.


Of course I want to know or I wouldn't post in 9/11 threads, I would simply avoid them altogether.

I'm just looking for some facts. People keep posting things like:
Physics proves that buildings can't fall like that. Ok, you may be right, can you show me the math that shows you're right? I've never seen any math.

then there's the:
No planes ever hit the WTC buildings.
Really? well how do you explain the planes that were seen?
They were holograms.
Really? Can you show me how holograms can do this?
No.
Well I can show you how it's not possible for holograms to do this.
Their response is as follows:
Since planes didn't hit the towers, it must have been holograms so you are wrong.
WHAT???

I keep seeing postings like this that make factual claims so I innocently ask for the actual facts and I'm always disappointed.

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Seriously, I'm not a disinfo agent. I work in construction. Believe me, if I had a cushy government job, I wouldn't have been outside today doing siding repairs in 30 degree weather.

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Thank you very much about the heads up regarding Endgame.

I'm always very skeptical when someone comes on here and says go look at this or go watch that and doesn't at least post a synopsis of the info in their words with corroborative sources.

1. Sorry I missed your question. What was it? I'd be more then happy to answer it if I can.

2. So now you're asking me to prove I'm not a disinfo agent? Thats asking me to prove a double negative-that's impossible.

Can I show you my "I'm not a disinfo agent" card?

Sorry but that's not evidence. At best it's left neutral with neither innocence or guilt.

Based on your statements here, and the evidence people have repeatedly tried to show you that you have simply dismissed out of hand, yes. Absolutely.



No, but he CAN investigate, and continue to do so, as long as resources allow.



No, 707.

WTC Design Parameters



It matters immensely. Steel doesn't just soften and weaken instantly under the kind of heat generated by the fires. It would take longer, hence my assertion that if it happened at the END of the day I could possibly consider it.



Not instantly, but certainly a lot faster than one should expect.



Hello? Same people who pulled off the Gulf of Tonkin false-flag? Same people who to this day have kept the activities of Area 51 and half a dozen other secret bases under wraps? Same people who have kept what they know about UFOs quiet for more than 60 years? Same people who pulled off the Manhattan Project (much of which is still secret to this day)? It's very, very easy for these people to keep secrets. They have a lot of practice. How do mob bosses hold hundreds, sometimes thousands of people under their thumbs and not get caught? Stop thinking like a damn defense lawyer and think like a cop. Physical evidence exists, or did at one time. All they have to do to make it go away is dump it in the deep ocean or bury it somewhere the public can't (or wouldn't want to) go, like Yucca Mountain. As for the people, motivations of money, blackmail, threats against their families, etc. go a long way to keeping them quiet.

(edit) You know what, never mind. I'm done with you. You obviously get your jollies playing the harpy. According to your standards of proof no criminal would ever successfully be prosecuted. You don't want proof, you want angry truthers to attack you. You're just like a Scientologist. People show you evidence again and again, more is available to find, and you keep coming back and either saying it's not evidence or it's not proof. Let me tell you something: Only one aspect of the official story needs to be proven false. Only one. That's all it takes for a rational mind to question how much of the rest of the story is bull. But you're not rational. You're only here to annoy and harass. This is a game to you. You keep saying you think there's more to the story, but you only say it to evade criticism. It's all garbage and I for one won't put up with it anymore.

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WRONG, lack of evidence is used as evidence in court all the time.

Why would PULL IT mean the firemen when the firmen were out of the building before the call was made?

Chief Nigro has stated he evacuated the firemen without talking to Silverstein.

So the only reason for the call was to tell Silverstein they could not save the buidling. So PULL IT meant the building not the firmen.



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But nobody has posted "evidence", only claims that evidence exists somewhere.


How much longer? How much time would it take to weaken the steal to the point of complete structural failure based on already existing impact damage?



Not instantly, but certainly a lot faster than one should expect.

Please cite example. I've never seen the lack of evidence used as evidence.

Very simple, if i took you to court and showed evidence to dispute the official story and challenged you to post evidence to suport the official story.

If you do not have the evidence to support the official story you would lose the case.

That means you would be presenting evidence, not a lack of it.

Yes i would be presenting evidence but if you had no evidnece to support the official story then that would be evidence also. Lack of evdience that you could not support your side of the case.








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