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9/11 What evidence would make you believe in a conspiracy?

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posted on Mar, 26 2008 @ 05:45 AM
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Originally posted by ULTIMA1
Originally posted by hmmmbeer

Also of you know anything about emergency incident commad you would know that Silverstein had no authority over what was donw with the firemen, so the only reason for the call was to tell him they could not save the building.

Which should tell you right there that they had intentions to save the building but when they realized they couldn't, the only thing left to do was pull everyone back and let it fall. Which means they didn't cause it to fall.


[edit on 26-3-2008 by jfj123]




posted on Mar, 26 2008 @ 05:59 AM
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Originally posted by hmmmbeer
jfj123,

Its ok.

Let me know when you get better and start thinking with your brain again.

Might I suggest that personal attacks are not acceptable and not productive on ATS.


Maybe you might even answer some of the questions I ask.

As far as I know, I've answered every question you've asked. If I've missed one, repost it and I'll answer it.


Until then, good bye.

Goodbye.


I, unlike you, go to sleep knowing the truth.

uhuh. because you've posted actual evidence to support what you've said? Oh no you haven't. You've only posted speculation.



posted on Mar, 26 2008 @ 08:30 AM
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Guys, there's no point in feeding this thread. The OP is just playing harpy for his own enjoyment. He's stated what would prove it for him--and his burden of proof is impossibly high. He has unequivocally stated he would never believe it was a conspiracy of the elite unless every single aspect of said conspiracy could be proven beyond ANY doubt. This is impossible, especially considering the people behind the conspiracy are the ones who control all the evidence and the entire investigation. It's like asking the Mafia to investigate itself. Any cop or prosecutor will tell you that obviously will not lead to a truthful end, nor will it lead to convictions (at least not of the top players--maybe a sacrificial lamb here and there). There is ZERO CHANCE of proving a conspiracy to the satisfaction of the nay-sayers. Thus, no point to this thread. They just want to make people angry. They get off on it like porn. Let the thread die.



posted on Mar, 26 2008 @ 01:47 PM
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Originally posted by jfj123
the only thing left to do was pull everyone back and let it fall. Which means they didn't cause it to fall.


But the firemen were out of the building earlier in the day BEFORE the call to Silverstein was made.

The only reason the call to Silverstein was made was to tell him they could not save the building.

The PULL IT quote could have only meant the building since the firemen were out of the building at the time of the call.



posted on Mar, 26 2008 @ 02:48 PM
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Originally posted by ULTIMA1
The PULL IT quote could have only meant the building since the firemen were out of the building at the time of the call.


Is "PULL IT" a fireman term for demolishing a building?

Does Silverstein work for a demolitions team? Have a background in demolitions? Was he talking with someone with a demolitions background?

No.

Your "Pull it" quote has been debunked time and time again...but here is the link again: www.debunking911.com...

What if he had said "grand slam"? Would he be referring to baseball? Tennis? Fishing? Bridge? The phrase "Grand Slam" has multiple meanings...just as "pull it" does.

"Pull it" is a term used to pull teeth.

"Pull it" is a term used meaning dismantle/overhaul an engine.

"Pull it" is a term used in cycling, to work too hard and reduce the lead of a breakaway.

Shall I continue?



posted on Mar, 26 2008 @ 03:07 PM
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Originally posted by Disclosed
Is "PULL IT" a fireman term for demolishing a building?

Does Silverstein work for a demolitions team? Have a background in demolitions? Was he talking with someone with a demolitions background?



Yes, "PULL IT" is a term used when talking about bringing down a building.

They PULLED building 6.

Silverstein used the term PUL IT to a fire commander who does know about demo and how to demo a building or he would not have that job.


ONE LAST TIME, "PULL IT' MEANT THE BUIDLING NOT THE FIREMEN BECAUSE THE FIREMEN WERE OUT OF THE BUILDING BEFORE THE CALL WAS MADE.

THE ONLY REASON FOR THE CALL WAS TO TELL SILVERSTEIN THEY COULD NOT SAVE THE BUILDING.






[edit on 26-3-2008 by ULTIMA1]



posted on Mar, 26 2008 @ 04:26 PM
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Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Yes, "PULL IT" is a term used when talking about bringing down a building.

They PULLED building 6.


Did they use demolitions on building 6? Or did the "pull it" with cables on the walls....to pull them in the direction they wanted?



ONE LAST TIME, "PULL IT' MEANT THE BUIDLING NOT THE FIREMEN BECAUSE THE FIREMEN WERE OUT OF THE BUILDING BEFORE THE CALL WAS MADE.

THE ONLY REASON FOR THE CALL WAS TO TELL SILVERSTEIN THEY COULD NOT SAVE THE BUILDING.


So...they could not save the building because of fire/damage. So they had a demolitions team go into that very same unstable burning building, and plant charges, with no witnesses, to bring it down?

Could not save the building? Havent you argued on this very forum that buildings had never collapsed? So why wouldnt they just leave it, and once it burned out (since it was just a standard office fire), go in for cleanup?
And now...you're saying the building could not be saved....and needed to be demolished?



Occam's razor at its finest...

[edit on 26-3-2008 by Disclosed]



posted on Mar, 26 2008 @ 04:41 PM
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Originally posted by Disclosed
Or did the "pull it" with cables on the walls....to pull them in the direction they wanted?


Oh, so now you agree that "PULL" is a demo term?

So which is it? Is "PULL" a demo term or not, make up your mind.



posted on Mar, 26 2008 @ 04:44 PM
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Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Oh, so now you agree that "PULL" is a demo term?

So which is it? Is "PULL" a demo term or not, make up your mind.



Were we talking about "PULL" or "PULL IT"? I believe we were talking about the phrase "PULL IT".

I'm curious why "pull it" means explosives for WTC7, but cables for WTC6.

Pulling a wall down, and planting explosives in a building. Yeah, I can see how those two get confused all the time.


[edit on 26-3-2008 by Disclosed]

[edit on 26-3-2008 by Disclosed]



posted on Mar, 26 2008 @ 04:46 PM
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Originally posted by Disclosed
I'm curious why "pull it" means explosives for WTC7, but cables for WTC6.


You did not answer the question.

Is "PULL" a demo term, YES or NO ?



posted on Mar, 26 2008 @ 04:48 PM
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Originally posted by ULTIMA1

You did not answer the question.

Is "PULL" a demo term, YES or NO ?



Once again...we were discussing the phrase "PULL IT", not "PULL".

You did not answer my question. Why demolish building 7, if as you say no other buildings had ever collapsed before due to fire? Why send in men with explosives to set charges, when it was unsafe for firemen to be in that very same building?



posted on Mar, 26 2008 @ 05:10 PM
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Originally posted by Disclosed
Once again...we were discussing the phrase "PULL IT", not "PULL".

You did not answer my question. Why demolish building 7, if as you say no other buildings had ever collapsed before due to fire? Why send in men with explosives to set charges, when it was unsafe for firemen to be in that very same building?


Ok, so is "PULL IT" a demo term, YES or NO ?

You answered your own question. NO other steel building has collasped from fire so that means it was brought down.




[edit on 26-3-2008 by ULTIMA1]



posted on Mar, 26 2008 @ 05:18 PM
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Here I am again, reminding BOTH of you that this can be discussed in U2Us and not in the middle of a thread.
Stay on topic or points start disappearing.

Last warning.

Cuhail



posted on Mar, 26 2008 @ 06:04 PM
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Sorry Cuhail....was just trying to clarify a point.

I'll move on.

Have a good one


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posted on Mar, 26 2008 @ 06:32 PM
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Originally posted by The Nighthawk
Guys, there's no point in feeding this thread. The OP is just playing harpy for his own enjoyment.

This is simply not true. Please don't make statements like this about my character unless you can back them up.


He's stated what would prove it for him--and his burden of proof is impossibly high.

No it's not, it's reasonable.


He has unequivocally stated he would never believe it was a conspiracy of the elite unless every single aspect of said conspiracy could be proven beyond ANY doubt.

I've never said this and this proves quite well you don't actually read what is posted. May I suggest that if you're going to comment about me, read my posts first, you won't look as foolish that way.


This is impossible, especially considering the people behind the conspiracy are the ones who control all the evidence and the entire investigation. It's like asking the Mafia to investigate itself. Any cop or prosecutor will tell you that obviously will not lead to a truthful end, nor will it lead to convictions (at least not of the top players--maybe a sacrificial lamb here and there). There is ZERO CHANCE of proving a conspiracy to the satisfaction of the nay-sayers. Thus, no point to this thread. They just want to make people angry. They get off on it like porn. Let the thread die.

This is simply not true. Sorry you feel this way but obviously it's more important for you to berate someone as opposed to having a civil discussion. Maybe you should find another thread for your outlet.



posted on Mar, 26 2008 @ 07:16 PM
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Originally posted by Disclosed

Originally posted by ULTIMA1
The PULL IT quote could have only meant the building since the firemen were out of the building at the time of the call.


Is "PULL IT" a fireman term for demolishing a building?

Does Silverstein work for a demolitions team? Have a background in demolitions? Was he talking with someone with a demolitions background?

No.

Your "Pull it" quote has been debunked time and time again...but here is the link again: www.debunking911.com...

What if he had said "grand slam"? Would he be referring to baseball? Tennis? Fishing? Bridge? The phrase "Grand Slam" has multiple meanings...just as "pull it" does.

"Pull it" is a term used to pull teeth.

"Pull it" is a term used meaning dismantle/overhaul an engine.

"Pull it" is a term used in cycling, to work too hard and reduce the lead of a breakaway.

Shall I continue?


Thanks for the link. Very interesting and it shows that the towers didn't actually fall into their own footprints like many would have you believe which is a good indication it was not a controlled demo.

Thanks again.



posted on Mar, 27 2008 @ 01:19 AM
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Originally posted by jfj123
Thanks for the link. Very interesting and it shows that the towers didn't actually fall into their own footprints like many would have you believe which is a good indication it was not a controlled demo.


Too bad we were talking about building 7 and not the towers. Too bad we have the statment from Chief Nigro that back up the fact the firemen were out of the buidling befoe the call to Silverstein.

So i will move on now that i have proven my point with facts.



posted on Mar, 27 2008 @ 09:55 AM
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Chief Nigro quote:

"The most important operational decision to be made that afternoon was the collapse (Of the WTC towers) had damaged 7 World Trade Center, which is about a 50 story building, at Vesey between West Broadway and Washington Street. It had very heavy fire on many floors and I ordered the evacuation of an area sufficient around to protect our members, so we had to give up some rescue operations that were going on at the time and back the people away far enough so that if 7 World Trade did collapse, we [wouldn't] lose any more people. We continued to operate on what we could from that distance and approximately an hour and a half after that order was [given], at 5:30 in the afternoon, World Trade Center collapsed completely" - Daniel Nigro, Chief of Department


Chief Hayden quote:

We had to be very forceful in getting the guys out. They didn’t want to come out. There were guys going into areas that I wasn’t even really comfortable with, because of the possibility of secondary collapses. We didn’t know how stable any of this area was. We pulled everybody back probably by 3 or 3:30 in the afternoon. We said, this building is going to come down, get back. It came down about 5 o’clock or so, but we had everybody backed away by then. Chief Hayden


[edit on 27-3-2008 by Disclosed]



posted on Mar, 27 2008 @ 02:00 PM
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Originally posted by Disclosed
Chief Nigro quote:

Chief Hayden quote:


So they state what i have been stating all along, the firemen were out of the building before the call was made. So that when the fire commander was talking on the phone with Silverstein and stated they decided to PULL It he was talking about the building since the firemen were out of the building and out of the area.

Also since the firemen were evacuated out of the area what were the hard hat workers doing inside the evacuated area, the ones coming out saying the building is coming down?

Do not forget no steel building has ever collapsed from fire, no matter how severe.





[edit on 27-3-2008 by ULTIMA1]



posted on Mar, 27 2008 @ 02:57 PM
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The quotes I provided by Chief Hayden and Chief Nigro actually both confirm Silversteins quote....which was to pull the men out of the area. Fact. This is exatly what the official reports state.

Do you have the time that Silverstein received his call? All reports say he goit it in the afternoon...and match both chiefs timelines exactly.

Is there any evidence of ANY of the fire chiefs talking to Controlled Demolition prior to the collapse? I think that would be interesting to see, but I'm certain the answer to that will be no.

Looks like the link I provided debunks the "pull it" completely.



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