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NAZISLAMISM : Hitler and the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem' Connection

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posted on Mar, 16 2008 @ 10:37 AM
Yasser Arafat was partly educated by him and considered him as his "spiritual father"... Leila Shahid, PLO spokewoman, is his grandgranddaughter... These two use(d) his name as their ones (in real life)...



Who was one of his best friends ?


Amazing, isn't it ?

posted on Mar, 17 2008 @ 12:28 PM
Not really that amazing since they both had a common goal.

Dr. Serge Trifkovic documents the similarities between Al Husseini's brand of radical Islam and Nazism in his book The Sword of the Prophet. He noted parallels in both ideologies: anti-Semitism, quest for world dominance, demand for the total subordination of the free will of the individual, belief in the abolishment of the nation-state in favor of a "higher" community (in Islam the umma or community of all believers; in Nazism, the herrenvolk or master race), and belief in undemocratic governance by a "divine" leader (an Islamic caliph, or Nazi führer).

posted on Mar, 17 2008 @ 04:28 PM
Well this is all history that is now 65 years old, or more.

Of course the Nazis tried to enlist the Muslims in uprising against the British. They also tried to enlist the Kazakhs, the IRA, Latinos and anybody they could think of.

Germany had a foothold in Vichy Syria and sought influence in Iraq and Palestine. So what ?

This is a bit of red herring to re-brand Islam as facist so then you don't have to treat them like human beings or listen to their justified concerns.

Very easy to vilify people or whole races of people and thereby avoid dealing with facts.

Ironically the Nazis did the same to the Jews. Two wrongs do not make a right.

I am no fan of radical Islam, but this thread is on the same level as the Iranian leaders denouncing all Americans as the sons of satan.

This thread is purile name calling.

[edit on 17-3-2008 by sy.gunson]

posted on Mar, 17 2008 @ 04:48 PM
It is argued that Islamic antisemitism influenced Hitler to such a large degree that you could say it was the father of Nazism itself.

Media influences exerted in Europe by Sebottendorff's masonic groups, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, and others sworn to secrecy in the 1920s, serve as an indication that parts of Asia Minor and the Middle East may have been the prototype 'Aryan' headquarters of anti-Semitism before Hitler publicly appeared in Germany. Anatolia's well-known policy of disregarding human rights and her embarrassing support from Ottoman Freemasons contributed to the Third Reich's blueprint for genocide and its reckless resistance to Western Judeo-Christian principles.

While the OP may be trying to paint today's Islamists as Nazis, they are in fact the originals.

[edit on 17-3-2008 by TheComte]

[edit on 17-3-2008 by TheComte]

posted on Mar, 17 2008 @ 10:16 PM
Hitler's mother as a house servant it has often been alleged was raped by a Jewish man she worked for. Hitler grew up with an abiding and inherited hatred for Jews.

Nazism grew out of the Thule society which preached theories of master races. Hitler knitted together various theories and promoted them politically.

We can see similar stuff today when people try to blame others for their own problems. Germany had been through quite tough times following the First World War.

There was an economic collapse in Germany towards the end WW1 and because the Jewish merchants were so involved with commerce it became popular in Germany to accuse the Jewish business community of Munich for Germany's economic collapse. Jews were held to have been traitors to the German cause.

It was not Islam which spawned Nazi antisemitism, though later it evolved into a common cause.

Originally the Nazis promoted Croatian Nationalists in Yugoslavia and regarded Bosnian muslims as untermenschen.

It was the intervention of the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem which persuaded the Nazis to change policy and raise an SS regiment of Bosnian muslims.

Nazi policy to Islam was not at all consistent.

[edit on 17-3-2008 by sy.gunson]

posted on Mar, 17 2008 @ 11:48 PM
Thank you sy.gunson for injecting some reason into this thread.

The Nazi relationship with the Arabs was one of convenience and common interest.

It should be noted that the Zionists also cooperated with the Nazi's, in order to encourage more emigration to Palestine - see the Haavara Agreement

posted on Mar, 18 2008 @ 03:10 AM

Originally posted by sy.gunson
Hitler grew up with an abiding and inherited hatred for Jews.
[edit on 17-3-2008 by sy.gunson]

Not exactly. From Hitler's own words:

It is difficult today, if not impossible, to say when the word, "Jew," first occasioned special thoughts in me. In my father's house, I cannot recall ever having heard the word, at least while he lived.

In school, too, I found no cause which would have led me to change this received image. In high school I did learn to know a Jewish boy, whom we all treated cautiously, only because various experiences had taught us to doubt his reliability. But we didn't care all that much one way or the other [about Jews].

I did not yet so much as suspect the existence of a systematic opposition to Jews.

Then I came to Vienna.

Source: Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf (14th ed., Munich, 1932), pp. 54-70. Translated by Richard S. Levy.

Hitler himself says it wasn't until he came to Vienna that he started having strong opinions towards Jews.

posted on Mar, 18 2008 @ 05:39 AM

Hitler himself says it wasn't until he came to Vienna that he started having strong opinions towards Jews.

The claim came from the testimony of Hitler's lawyer and Riechs Minister Hans Frank at the Nuremburg trials.

Hans Frank, declared during the Nuremberg Trials in 1945-46, that Hitler's grandmother had worked in the town of Graz as a servant in the home of a Jewish family named Frankenberger. He further claimed that she was seduced by the head of the household and that Hitler's grandfather was the result of that liaison.

"Hitler's Family Secret: A file recovered from the Nazi Archives tells of a Gestapo investigation into the Fuehrer's murky family history." By: Ben S. Swearingen Civilization: The Magazine of the Library of Congress Volume 2, Number 2, Arcg/April 1995, pp. 54-55

Hitler's grandmother's maiden name was Schickelgruber. There is considerable evidence that this family produced abnormal progeny. Examples are: one of Hitler's relatives through his mother's side committed suicide in 1920, another, Aloisha had been placed in an insane asylum, another was "feeble-minded," and yet another was retarded.

Hitler's father, Alois, was the 'illegitimate' son of Maria Anna Schicklgruber-she refused to name the father.

Thus, Hitler was unable to produce the certificate of origin he required of every German citizen on hazard of death. The various rumors suggest as father of Alois: a Jew called Frankenberger, Johann Nepomuk Hiedler, or one Trummelschlager who acted as godfather.

Illegitimacy was widespread in the Waldviertel, now estimated at about 40 percent. The most persistent rumor is that his father was a Jew, possibly an itinerant trader, at Graz. What little evidence there is, supports that rumor. (From

Frank said that Hitler had an investigation done in the early 1930s, and found something in his family history that had to be covered up. If Hitler knew or suspected the story, then obviously he would be loathe to admit it whilst perpetuating Aryan purity.

When Hitler came to power the records that would have proved the matter were collected by the Munich Police detective later to become head of the gestapo Heinrich Muller and then those records disappeared from history.

I would not accept Mein Kampf as anything more than Hitler's own PR spin for public consumption.

posted on Mar, 18 2008 @ 06:33 AM
Islam is something, Islamism is another thing, Nazislamism is an historical fact still alive.

Nazi and Islam shared the same goal, says someone here ? Yes : The Annihilation of all Jews.

This thread (only "amazing" for naive people) is about the REAL ROOTS of PLO, nothing else. Hitler's antisemitism ? Very interesting debate (irony).

PALESTINIANS ARE JORDANIANS. JERUSALEM IS 30 KILOMETERS FROM THE "JORDAN KINGDOM" (initially created to host "Palestinians"). "PALESTINIAN PEOPLE" is a theorical creation by a certain AL HUSSEINI, better known as YASSER ARAFAT.

Without ARAFAT's thirst for power and historico-political need for attention*, millions of RESPECTABLE ARAB INDIVIDUALS would NOT live the NIGHTMARE they've been living for decades.

[* Not to mention his 500 M$ swiss bank account filled by UN & EU subventions]

[edit on 18-3-2008 by Rigel]

posted on Mar, 18 2008 @ 06:53 AM
I don't know what you're trying to prove Rigel ?

We're not deaf.

Sure there is a historic association between the two, but that does not make Islam facist.

Without ARAFAT's thirst for power and historico-political need for attention*, millions of RESPECTABLE ARAB INDIVIDUALS would NOT live the NIGHTMARE they've been living for decades.

The Palestinian people don't see it that way. Ask the Palestinians themselves and they'd say it had nothing to do with Arafat's ego. In fact some Palestinians like the PLFP and Hammas would have denounced Arafat as a moderate.

The Palestinians see it as a question of regaining their homeland, or of freedom from the oppression of Isreal over many decades.

The way you tar all Palestinians with the same brush does nothing to bridge understanding and just serves the further polarisation and biterness of that region.

You're pouring fuel on a fire.

Negotiating with the Palestinian authority in the West bank and making genuine concessions is the road to peace in that region.

Not the hatred you're trying to dredge up.

posted on Mar, 18 2008 @ 10:22 AM
reply to post by sy.gunson

I'm afraid you do deaf are : see above the distinction I made between Islam (a Religion), Islamism (A political trend devoted to path the way of a world-wide Islam), and Nazislamism (see OP).

Hamas, like Fatah, is a late formation, pure consequence of Arafat's original madness.

"Palestinians" are Jordanians and hostages of Arafat's Muftesque Nazislamistic dreams.

Jerusalem is and will be the capital of the Great Eretz Israel.

posted on Mar, 18 2008 @ 02:54 PM
reply to post by sy.gunson

The claim that Hitler's grandfather was the a Jew is dubious at best. It has never been proven and likely won't be. if you are using this claim as proof that Hitler was anti-Semitic since early childhood? That is a pretty tenuous connection.

In John Toland's best selling biography Adolf Hitler, he writes

Two of Hitler's closest friends in Mannerheim were Jewish -- a one-eyed locksmith named Robinson who often helped him and a part-time Hungarian art dealer, Josef Neumann, who took pity on Adolf's tattered attire and gave him a long frock coat. pg. 38

Hanisch never heard his friend [Hitler] rail at the Jews during these tempestuous debates or in private, and he remained convinced that Hitler (most of whose favorite actors and singers were Jewish) was by no means anti-Semitic. On the contrary, Adolf would express gratitude for the Jewish charities of which he had been a beneficiary, along with admiration for Jewish resistance to persecutions, and once denid that Jewish capitalists were usuers. pg. 37

Vienna at this time was awash with anti-Semitic groups and literature. Toland goes on to state that Hitler probably was an avid reader of the magazine Ostara, a mixture of the occult and erotic illustrations. One of the central themes of the magazine was that "Aryans must rule the earth by destroying their dark, racially mixed enemies."

Dietrich Eckart was also a reader of the magazine, and was the one who introduced Hitler to Alfred Rosenberg. "He is considered one of the main authors of key Nazi ideological creeds, including its racial theory, persecution of the Jews, Lebensraum, abrogation of the Treaty of Versailles, and opposition to "degenerate" modern art. He is also known for his rejection of Christianity."

Rosenburg was an active Thulist. The founder of the Thule Society was Baron Rudolf von Sebottendorf, an occultist and Freemason, and also an initiate of Islamic Sufism.

From this it is clear where the Nazis, and Hitler in particular, came by their notions of racial superiority and anti-Semitism.

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