Russia successfully Tests Missile-Defense Proof Weapons, page 1
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reply posted on 21-2-2004 @ 11:38 AM by Seekerof
Tests only confirm one part a formula, when applied to the "it works" equation Sector....
Funny how you very often fail to mention such thing when posting your Russian-ware information.

"...that pretty much renders usa ABM defences useless..."

Theoretically and empirically.....NA'DA (no way, no).
Re-read what I mentioned above.

Russian-ware 'experts' have always attested, proclaimed, and voiced that anything and everything they build can surpass anything the US does. Anything new here Sector?
Reminds me of those "specs and stats" for the bolt-on Russian Plasma Generator or how the Berkut was the next thing to godliness when compared to the Raptor or the Joint Strike Fighter......right?

Seeing is believing. In such, the day that one of those "godly" Russian missiles lands in my living room and I see this for the one milli-second that I do, before the blinding white light takes place, then I'll believe that the Russians have developed a missile that "renders the US ABM defences useless". Till then Sector...the "hype" of this missile is like the "hype" that came with those other exportable Russian-ware items that WalMart will soon be dispensing.


Interesting that this article purposely fails to mention or take into account US's anti-ballistic missile satellites, and the known and not knowns of the ABM defence system....as par, how convenient.

BTW, was Putin there to witness the successful testing of this 'supposed' "US ABM defence" busting missile.....you know, like he was for those 2 failed submarine missile launches?



regards
seekerof

[Edited on 21-2-2004 by Seekerof]



reply posted on 27-2-2004 @ 08:21 AM by quintar
This actually talks about the Patriot missile defence system that Israel bought from the US in the Gulf War. The 100% kill ratio claimed later turned out to be 25%.

www.wsws.org...

The best defence against a missile is having it not launch at all. Even if you 'intercept' a nuke in mid-air, people are still going to die and suffer.

[Edited on 27-2-2004 by quintar]



reply posted on 27-2-2004 @ 08:41 PM by mbkennel
It's easy to make a missile which will overcome a missile defense.

It's hard to make a missile which will overcome a missile defense, AND STILL BE HIGHLY ACCURATE.

The first you can do almost at no cost by having a particularly odd aerodynamics to induce chaotic fluctuations in your descent. In fact, that is how Saddam's SCUDs were not shot down that well by the Patriot. Iraq had attempted to retrofit the SCUDs with additional fuel so they could have a longer range. As a result their guidance and aerodynamics were all screwed up.

Basically the Patriot could not deal with such a poorly made missile; it assumed that it would have to defend against at least 1960's USSR technology. Iraq's SCUDs escaped interception by accident by having such poor guidance. In fact, some of them broke up in flight spontaneously; they were originally believed to be Patriot hits.
(Patriot PAC-2 and PAC-3 systems are alot better now).

Similarly an active retrorocket can do the same thing in space to give the warhead a random velocity vector at random times. Still, that makes it much more difficult to be really highly accurate the way the most modern US warheads are. Good guidance means integrating and assimilating data on a quiet ballistic trajectory and accurately measuring the stars and updating your position.

It's actually quite amazing the technology needed to do that. The missiles have maps of the gravitational variations due to the particular shape of the earth, the continents, density variations inside the Earth due to magma flows, the oceans, and maybe even the differential gravity due to the particular momentary shape of the oceans due to tides. And of course calculations including special and general relativity.

Basically if you want a 5 megaton city buster retaliatory "we're taking you with us" warhead, yeah, you can make one which will get through somewhere.

If you want a warhead which is able to take out a highly hardened missile silo or command post (yes, they can survive pretty big nukes upto a couple hundred feet away from ground zero!) evading a missile defense actively is much harder.

On the other hand it's pretty easy for the Russians to do it anyway against the US non-system. Launch more of them, or, launch sub-based ballistic or cruise missiles.

The US won't have any interceptors which can pick up a missile coming say in the direction of the gulf of Mexico.

I think that was basically a make-work program for some Russian military contractors to get some political points.

not strategically important. Unless they are really obnoxious and sell the system to the North Koreans or Iranians.

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