Hiya,

Originally posted by AshleyD
It seems like historical records and eye witness accounts are enough for others but the Christ Mythers want to travel back in a time machine before they'll believe Jesus existed.

There are NO historical records for Jesus.
There is NO contemporary evidence for Jesus.
There are NO eye-witness accounts of Jesus.

Furthermore - modern NT scholars (Ehrman, Metzger, Brown etc.) agree that not one single book of the NT was written by anyone who met any Jesus.

All you have is religious works by un-known authors,
and later records of Christian beliefs.


But for Jesus and the Gospel events?
NOT ONE single scrap of historical evidence.


Iasion

Hiya,

Originally posted by AshleyD
Will you teach me that trick? I need to learn how to walk away sometimes. Every time someone makes the claim there is no historical evidence of Jesus outside the Bible I feel compelled to cite some two dozen or so sources stating he did.

There are no such sources.

All you have is LATER records of Christian BELIFS.

There is NOT ONE single historical record of Jesus himself, as I showed in my post "Alleged evidence for Jesus".


Iasion

Hiya,

Originally posted by chromatico
We don't have any writings from Socrates or Julius Caesar. Did they exist?

Wrong.
We have several books written by Julius Caesar.


Iasion

The "Proof" that Jesus existed has been an on going debate for years. All those who do not believe knows that to show hard evidence of of His existence is not possible hence why it is enjoyed to see Christians jumping up and down in frustration.

The Bible ain't a history book, it is a Book of faith. By faith alone will a person get closer to God. God tells us no man is in charge, not even those He gave to preach the Gospel to us, the Gospel people say ain't 100% "PROOF"!

1 Corinthians, Chapter 3
1: And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
2: I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
3: For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
4: For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
5: Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
6: I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
7: So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.
8: Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.

I or any believers of The Supreme cannot do nothing to prove that which the other will not believe ,even if i had a photo of Jesus it would be debunked or scientifically proven "wrong era".

9: For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
20: And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.
21: Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours;
22: Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are yours;
23: And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's.

So this topic will not change the minds of those who already made them up, in believers and non-believers.

Hello

Jesus as messiah stands in the way of the one world religion

this is why, its a concerted effort to reduce him to nothing


david

Originally posted by Incarnated
I've noticed more and more over the past couple of years that people seem to be pushing toward a "Jesus never existed" reality, this is witnessed by such videos and theoretical theisimanic natured discussions.

I'd like to know who you think is at the center?
Why is this a drive?
Who's fault is it really?

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Satan is behind it!

"" For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12 ""

This is NEW AGE...the earth will probably be the image worshipped by all.

Our legal system was supported by "witnesses" to events that they could testify to. How is it, that this testimony held up for so many years, but now, it is no longer true? please.....give me a break. this is pure manipulation, just like the collectivist socialists who are shoving this crap down everyones throat who is lost and confused and is looking for answers. Funny thing is, the folks who fall for this, don't or won't look at why their money is worthless and the schools are worthless and why sick ideas and violence is pushed on teevee and video games and movies!!!!!

I'll never forget the medias [ WHORES ] responses to why they put this crap on teevee and the movies and games..." because it is what you asked for".

BULL! They never asked me or my neighbors or my co-workers or anyone I've ever talked to.

I never asked to see non-stop newz on the hollywood "actors"....who cares??????????? THAT STUFF IS NOT IMPORTANT!!!! Why waste out time onm that crap? Why do they never ask hard tough questions, but they'll smear someone in a second [ after they set them up for it ]


there's only ONE REASON why we're ASSAULTED with superficial newz and beat to death with viloent games and bad behavior, it's because...monkey see, monkey do

Create a problem [ set it up ] then come in with a solution for the problem you created.

This is PURE EVIL


C'mon folks, wake up.... we're being played like a fiddle. Jesus is Lord.

Greetings,

Originally posted by toasted
" There are NO historical records for Jesus.
There is NO contemporary evidence for Jesus.
There are NO eye-witness accounts of Jesus. "

ALL LIES.

But yet you can't provide any.
Why is that?

Modern NT scholars (e.g. Brown, Metzger, Ehrman etc.) agree - not one book in the NT was written by anyone who met any Jesus.


Iasion

I live by the belief cant believe what u cant see.Dont mean i dont believe in jesus.Just tv made a mockery of him on these discovery channels.Stating they found his burial site ect.

Originally posted by alienstar
I live by the belief cant believe what u cant see.Dont mean i dont believe in jesus.Just tv made a mockery of him on these discovery channels.Stating they found his burial site ect.

Christians make a mockery and a idol out of "Jesus".

You have an intersting thought there. Would you agree? How could you agree when you can't see what you're thinking? You know you're suposed to be thinking right? Are you thinking? Are you formulating thoughts? Do you have consciousness? What makes you think so? Those are all things you can't see.

As far as the Jesus delete goes, he was never a stumbling block for me as an Atheist. His existence or non-existence makes no difference to me and my beliefs.As far as all this "proof" being exchanged between opposing sides; if you present your proof in the same format as your opposition, then it's equal. You're both right and you're both wrong. Show me an actual book, provide me with an unbiased translator to read it to me, and what do I get out of that? That somebody wrote a book, and the subject was X. Doesn't prove anything either way.

What's the big deal anyway? If you believed he existed, it doesn't matter what anyone else says. If you don't, likewise.

Originally posted by GigatronixWhat's the big deal anyway? If you believed he existed, it doesn't matter what anyone else says. If you don't, likewise.

You have a good point. Strange as though it may be, I've never yet met anyone that TRULY believed.

I've met christians that believed a programmed lie about an idol based upon the life of a man 2000 years ago.

Oh well, it all works out the way it does in the end anyway.

The New age movement......which was started in the 1880's, moved into the US around the 60's and became public in 1975....McClean, Oprah...etc....

The Bildergergers, NWO, CFR all are linked to destroying the US in many different ways as the plan has been perfectly laid out.

Originally posted by Incarnated


I'd like to know who you think is at the center?
Why is this a drive?
Who's fault is it really?

1. Satan [ who has seeked to be, like "the most high" since the beginning ]

This is part of the war between good and evil.

2. There's a push coming for a world leader, a world government and that is why the Bible was thrown out of school

and creationism was never taught side by side on an even playing field because then

the liars would not have had a chance of pulling off this huge event

3. Ultimately, it is our fault, the peoples, for not standing up to the liars

and refusing to give in, when they inched over the line

but the enemy had the time and the power and us the people only

had to give an inch or two at a time and it didn't seem like much

and many of us didn't see this coming, but many did,

but those that did, they were silenced...

The media IGNORES the TRUTH TELLERS and fawns all over

the approved by the state liars who are conning the ignorant masses into selling their souls.



I can only pray that people wake up and see the liars for who they really are...wolves in sheeps clothing.

You either see what I'm saying, or you don't, it's just that simple.

Originally posted by Incarnated
I've noticed more and more over the past couple of years that people seem to be pushing toward a "Jesus never existed" reality, this is witnessed by such videos and theoretical theisimanic natured discussions.

I'd like to know who you think is at the center?
Why is this a drive?
Who's fault is it really?

I have noticed it to.

Personally I feel it may be the mind (ego) running loose again trying to run to the polar opposite of an equation without seeking its balance.

Its really that simple it would seem.

In other words someone finds out that not all they believe was right...so they dump out the baby with the bathwater so to speak. - now are they wrong? Not necessarily, but it does beg to question if they have left it open to seeing all sides of the issues...and not closing the doors before the answer naturally closes the doors that do not exist.

Peace

dAlen