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Originally posted by Annoyed
reply to post by P-a-r-a-d-o-X-2
That's a very interesting point of view. Thank you.
I also wonder about the Serpent - Dragon, perhaps? Lucifer/Satan is often depicted and referred to as the Dragon. Might this translate to Reptilian?
I would assume, since he was cursed to slither on his belly, that he did not do so previously, hence there would be some other method of mobility (or none? Surely he would not have been immobile?)
Every time someone answers my question, I am filled with more questions! That's what makes this site so fun!
Originally posted by P-a-r-a-d-o-X-2
...why shouldn't we be sceptical of scripture?
...isnt it possible that he may have really tampered with the scripture?
...If he hasnt, why hasnt he?
Is God an immortal man from some other planet? and the devil a reptoid/serpent/hybrid?
Can we look at things like its star trek...?
WORDS are whats messing people up, not beliefs, just translation and our concepts of what or who God and the devil is.. and isnt.
"Some historians....have argued that the Ten Commandments originated from ancient Egyptian religion, and postulate that the Biblical Jews borrowed the concept after their Exodus from Egypt. Chapter 125 of the [Egyptian] Book of the Dead (a.k.a. the Papyrus of Ani) includes a list of things to which a man must swear in order to enter the afterlife. These sworn statements bear a remarkable resemblance to the Ten Commandments in their nature and their phrasing.....The Book of the Dead has additional requirements, and, of course, doesn't require worship of Yahweh."
The Book of the Dead was written circa 1800 BCE. The Schofield Reference Bible estimates that the Hebrew Exodus from Egypt and the provision of the Ten Commandments on Mount Sinai occurred in 1491 BCE., some three centuries later. Thus, many religious liberals, historians, and secularists have concluded that the Hebrew Scripture's Ten Commandments were based on this earlier document, rather than vice-versa.
The ancient Egyptian religion taught that person had to undergo trials after death as they proceeded towards the underworld. One major test was that the weight of their heart was compared to that of a feather.
A second trial was that the deceased would have to recite a negative confession "when [she or] he descends to the hall of the Two Truths." In the statement, he or she swore that they had not engaged in specific behaviors while alive. According to Egyptologist Ahmed Osman, one translation of the statement reads:
"Hail to thee, great God, Lord of the Two Truths. I have come unto thee, my Lord, that thou mayest bring me to see thy beauty. I know thee, I know thy name, I know the names of the 42 Gods who are with thee in this broad hall of the Two Truths . . . Behold, I am come unto thee. I have brought thee truth; I have done away with sin for thee. I have not sinned against anyone. I have not mistreated people. I have not done evil instead of righteousness . . .
I have not reviled the God.
I have not laid violent hands on an orphan.
I have not done what the God abominates . . .
I have not killed; I have not turned anyone over to a killer.
I have not caused anyone's suffering . . .
I have not copulated (illicitly); I have not been unchaste.
I have not increased nor diminished the measure, I have not diminished the palm; I have not encroached upon the fields.
I have not added to the balance weights; I have not tempered with the plumb bob of the balance.
I have not taken milk from a child's mouth; I have not driven small cattle from their herbage...
I have not stopped (the flow of) water in its seasons; I have not built a dam against flowing water.
I have not quenched a fire in its time . . .
I have not kept cattle away from the God's property.
I have not blocked the God at his processions. 5
A comparison of the Book of the Dead text with the version of the Ten Commandments found in Exodus 20:2-17 is striking. Both consist of a series of negative statements.
Comparing another translation of the Book with the King James Version of Exodus:
bullet Book of the Dead:
"I have done away sin for thee and not acted fraudulently or deceitfully. I have not belittled God. I have not inflicted pain or caused another to weep. I have not murdered or given such an order. I have not used false balances or scales. I have not purloined (held back) the offerings to the gods. I have not stolen. I have not uttered lies or curses."
bullet Exodus 20:7-16:
"Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain....Thou shalt not kill. Thou shalt not commit adultery...Thou shalt not bear false witness against they neighbor..."
Originally posted by Jonar
Original Sin to me is a tool of control that contradicts Free Will of Choice which is a God given right. Cause in the real definition of Free Will of Choice, their would really be no sin, original or otherwise.
I believe that our bodies are containers for the soul. The soul is immortal and is in the true image of God. The body is not in the image of God and so the genetic aspects of the body has nothing to do with the soul which is also the God given spark of life too.
So if the body is not the real you, then who could our lineage of being all decendents of Adam and Eve bear on who we really are as souls? It wouldn't.
All that stuff that the bibles of the world are full of have some truth and a whole bunch of control issues. But if people wish to believe that they are sinners due to the acts of others, then go right ahead and do so, because that if your Free Will right of Choice.
As for me, I am not a sinner and was not born a sinner. As for anything that I may have done in life that others would cast me out as being a sinner, they have not the right to say so, but then they can have their own opions based on whatever they choose to believe. To me, Free Will of Choice gives us the ability to make choices regarding our lives in these containers. Physical life is about choices made and the results of those choices. When you leave, that which others call sins, no longer applies.