i just Ignore topics like that
dont reply to them.
worst topics are those that dont have any input from the org posters
example
www.abovetopsecret.com...
just copy and paste nothing at all from the OP
and thats how alot of topics are turning out to be
since the old system was taken down
ATSN Rules need to be reinforced.
A Severe Problem With the "Breaking News" Threads, page 1
privacy
reply posted on 15-3-2008 @ 01:18 PM by budski
reply to post by Lotiki
I agree,
this is my favourite forum, and it seems that a sort of tabloid sensationalism has come into it - I don't know if this is just a tactic to get a thread noticed, but I am not keen on it.
It's misleading and puts me off posting, as do the threads with "BREAKING" or "MUST READ" inserted before the headline.
I understand that people sometimes feel strongly about a news issue - but there are many batter ways to get the thread noticed.
Writing a thought provoking opinion on the news item itself is the best way IMO.
That said, this is exactly the type of thing that the complaint/suggestion function is for - BUT still a very good and valid point.
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I agree,
this is my favourite forum, and it seems that a sort of tabloid sensationalism has come into it - I don't know if this is just a tactic to get a thread noticed, but I am not keen on it.
It's misleading and puts me off posting, as do the threads with "BREAKING" or "MUST READ" inserted before the headline.
I understand that people sometimes feel strongly about a news issue - but there are many batter ways to get the thread noticed.
Writing a thought provoking opinion on the news item itself is the best way IMO.
That said, this is exactly the type of thing that the complaint/suggestion function is for - BUT still a very good and valid point.
[edit on 15/3/2008 by budski]
reply posted on 15-3-2008 @ 03:42 PM by goosdawg
reply to post by Lotiki
On at least a couple of the threads you mentioned, early on, I considered using the alert button to protest the "creative" titles.
But I shirked my duty with the thought that surely the mods would catch the problem.
But they didn't.
And the threads went multi-page, full of chest-beating tripe and nonsense.
In the future, I'll be a little quicker to click and raise the issue.
With the intention of assisting the mods to be better informed and to help lighten the load of a tough, sometimes thankless responsibility.
On at least a couple of the threads you mentioned, early on, I considered using the alert button to protest the "creative" titles.
But I shirked my duty with the thought that surely the mods would catch the problem.
But they didn't.
And the threads went multi-page, full of chest-beating tripe and nonsense.
In the future, I'll be a little quicker to click and raise the issue.
With the intention of assisting the mods to be better informed and to help lighten the load of a tough, sometimes thankless responsibility.
reply posted on 15-3-2008 @ 05:08 PM by Extralien
reply to post by aleon1018
That's a good point you've made there.
It's generally accepted that the Breaking news forum is for news no more than 48 hours old (correct me if I'm wrong on that - it's from memory).
So any 'news' found on the net that is 'out of date' should go to the 'other news' forum.
Why not move all inactive breaking news threads over a weak old to a separate area.
Would clean that forum up a bit and help to keep on top of what's being posted there seeing as it appears to be one of the fastest moving forums.
That's a good point you've made there.
It's generally accepted that the Breaking news forum is for news no more than 48 hours old (correct me if I'm wrong on that - it's from memory).
So any 'news' found on the net that is 'out of date' should go to the 'other news' forum.
Why not move all inactive breaking news threads over a weak old to a separate area.
Would clean that forum up a bit and help to keep on top of what's being posted there seeing as it appears to be one of the fastest moving forums.
reply posted on 16-3-2008 @ 09:32 AM by goosdawg
reply to post by Sky watcher
What part of the above don't you get?
Just because your thread wasn't "moved, closed or deleted" does it mean you're above the rules?
I've had a BAN thread moved precisely because I followed the TACs concerning thread naming conventions, and a certain staff member (who shall go unnamed) took issue with the word "NeoCon."
You got your points for that thread, in fact you got one post out of me.
And you might have received more input from certain parties if you hadn't played fast and easy with the TACs.
Sheesh, you want some cheese to go with your whine?
Edit to add:
Don't the *volunteer* staff members have enough to do without having to tidy up after members who fabricate BAN titles to fish for more points?
[edit on 16-3-2008 by goosdawg]
* Copy the exact headline of the story into the headline field, don't make one up or sensationalise it. Submissions with inaccurate, biased or otherwise deceptive headlines may be moved, closed or deleted. Obviously, some editorial latitude will be allowed if the original headline is too long (gets truncated) or too obscure.
What part of the above don't you get?
Just because your thread wasn't "moved, closed or deleted" does it mean you're above the rules?
I've had a BAN thread moved precisely because I followed the TACs concerning thread naming conventions, and a certain staff member (who shall go unnamed) took issue with the word "NeoCon."
You got your points for that thread, in fact you got one post out of me.
And you might have received more input from certain parties if you hadn't played fast and easy with the TACs.
Sheesh, you want some cheese to go with your whine?
Edit to add:
Don't the *volunteer* staff members have enough to do without having to tidy up after members who fabricate BAN titles to fish for more points?
[edit on 16-3-2008 by goosdawg]
reply posted on 16-3-2008 @ 10:05 AM by Lotiki
Originally posted by Sky watcher
Are you a mod? No.
Did I pretend to be? No. I am a member who has noticed that some people think its ok to blatently break the T&C over and over again.
Have you been here long? No.
Actually, friend, I have been here longer than you. When I moved, I lost my cookies and could not remember my old login password or e-mail and had to start a new account. Heres my old Profile, registered over a year before yours.....
Are you a cry baby? Apparently.
From the T&C
2) Behavior: You will not behave in an abusive, hateful and/or racist manner, and will not harass, threaten, nor attack anyone.
Calling me a "Cry-Baby" for expecting people to obey the T&C that they AGREED TO is abusive harassment and hateful.
Why don't you contribute to the community before you come hear and try to change it.
Again, I have contributed way more than you will ever know.
Our threads have supporting facts that back up our headlines and thats why they are still up. Just because we make the headline better does not mean that they should be taken down.
Your thread wasw the first on my list. Your headline was "Iran Caught Red-Handed", witch implies they were actually caught making nukes.
The actual story says that a group that is opposed to the government and that is known to have released fake documents before, released some documents that show Iran might possibly still be working on nukes.
HUGE DIFFERENCE.
You agreed to the following when you signed up and when you post in that forum;
Copy the exact headline of the story into the headline field, don't make one up or sensationalise it. Submissions with inaccurate, biased or otherwise deceptive headlines may be moved, closed or deleted. Obviously, some editorial latitude will be allowed if the original headline is too long (gets truncated) or too obscure.
Saying its ok to not do what you agreed to do makes you a liar, pure and simple. Defending your dishonesty is well,dishonest.
Why don't you complain about the threads like the one where the guy was saying that U.S. troops kill innocent civilians in Iraq and then the guy post a video of terrorist pointing a RPG at a helicopter? If you are going to complain at least find the real culprits. The mods try to do a good job here as it is their job not yours and thats a good thing.
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I have posted in that very thread you are speaking about. If you are going to attack me on my posting habits, at least make an attempt to look at my posts.
[edit on 16-3-2008 by Lotiki]
removed persanal attack
two wrongs don't make a right
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reply posted on 16-3-2008 @ 06:30 PM by Skyfloating
reply to post by Lotiki
Just to let you know we are very aware of these problems and try to fix them as they come up.
Just to let you know we are very aware of these problems and try to fix them as they come up.
reply posted on 16-3-2008 @ 07:10 PM by SkepticOverlord
I'm reminded of the line... "Everyone talks about the weather, but no one does anything about it."
From time to time we get a number of threads that complain about the apparent lack of quality in this forum or that forum, and how we (staff) should consider doing something about it. Well, first let me reassure you that there is nothing more important to me than the quality of content that appears on ATS. Also, I've taken note of the points brought up in this thread and will consider some solutions.
However...
There is one thing that comes in very close to "nothing more important than..." and that is our stance of editorial neutrality. We would prefer that our members work out which topics are more important (flags) and which topics deserve discussion (replies) and which posts are inspiring (stars).
While it's unfortunate that we see what many consider to be lesser-quality threads in the Breaking Alternative News forum, can you honestly say the system isn't working on Breaking Alternative News Forum Overview page? While it may be irritating for some to suffer the lesser submissions, I would say the important and relevant threads are indeed being properly recognized and elevated by our member activity. I don't see any topic that doesn't deserve to be on that page.
From time to time we get a number of threads that complain about the apparent lack of quality in this forum or that forum, and how we (staff) should consider doing something about it. Well, first let me reassure you that there is nothing more important to me than the quality of content that appears on ATS. Also, I've taken note of the points brought up in this thread and will consider some solutions.
However...
There is one thing that comes in very close to "nothing more important than..." and that is our stance of editorial neutrality. We would prefer that our members work out which topics are more important (flags) and which topics deserve discussion (replies) and which posts are inspiring (stars).
While it's unfortunate that we see what many consider to be lesser-quality threads in the Breaking Alternative News forum, can you honestly say the system isn't working on Breaking Alternative News Forum Overview page? While it may be irritating for some to suffer the lesser submissions, I would say the important and relevant threads are indeed being properly recognized and elevated by our member activity. I don't see any topic that doesn't deserve to be on that page.
reply posted on 16-3-2008 @ 07:41 PM by Sky watcher
reply to post by SkepticOverlord
And I will post the proper thread titles from now on even if the title of the original story is mis-leading in my opinion. I would have changed it if I was asked to do so. I am glad to see you chime in on this Skeptic and the comments you have made. Now I am off to get some rest because tomorrows Monday and I'm not to happy about that. Goodnight my fellow crazy tin haters.
And I will post the proper thread titles from now on even if the title of the original story is mis-leading in my opinion. I would have changed it if I was asked to do so. I am glad to see you chime in on this Skeptic and the comments you have made. Now I am off to get some rest because tomorrows Monday and I'm not to happy about that. Goodnight my fellow crazy tin haters.
reply posted on 16-3-2008 @ 08:03 PM by Lotiki
Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
I'm reminded of the line... "Everyone talks about the weather, but no one does anything about it."
We cant do anything about it if no-one talks about it though. Just as you cant do anything about the weather without talking about it.
From time to time we get a number of threads that complain about the apparent lack of quality in this forum or that forum, and how we (staff) should consider doing something about it. Well, first let me reassure you that there is nothing more important to me than the quality of content that appears on ATS. Also, I've taken note of the points brought up in this thread and will consider some solutions.
Please understand, I actually thought I was being stupid and started this thread to see if anyone agreed with me. Judging by the overwhelming positive response, it appears that the current system is not working as well as it could. I understand that new things are tried all the time on ATS, and not all of them work as well as we all hope they will. However, you have to try out new things or the main page of this site would still look like this;
There is one thing that comes in very close to "nothing more important than..." and that is our stance of editorial neutrality. We would prefer that our members work out which topics are more important (flags) and which topics deserve discussion (replies) and which posts are inspiring (stars).
"Editorial Neutrality" does not come into effect in this case. The BAN forum exists so that members can inform other members of breaking alt. news. OPs are more than welcome and even required to post their personnel opinion on the story they link to. There is absolutely no reason they would need to drastically change to headline, especially to something that is misleading as to the actual article. Editing these posts by mods would simply ensure that the hard work of other people is accurately portrayed on this forum. I can imagine how upset I would be If I saw my work on another forum but under a different Headline.Since a mod can't simply change the title to anything they want, it would not interfere with your neutrality.
While it's unfortunate that we see what many consider to be lesser-quality threads in the Breaking Alternative News forum, can you honestly say the system isn't working on Breaking Alternative News Forum Overview page? While it may be irritating for some to suffer the lesser submissions, I would say the important and relevant threads are indeed being properly recognized and elevated by our member activity. I don't see any topic that doesn't deserve to be on that page.
You are right, the system is working. And while some may think its "good enough", I and others think it can be made better. That should be the goal of everyone on this site, how to make it better. Or else ATS would still look like the above pic.
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