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reply posted on 15-3-2008 @ 02:11 PM by goosdawg
reply to post by Johnmike


It's a secret.

j/k

I recalled an article about this being posted on news.au.com and discovered it referenced the Reuters article.

I then did a search using the author's name in conjunction with "Reuters" and up it popped.

I've got a lot of news/oped/info sources bookmarked; 38 currently and adding more all the time.

Of course, If I hadn't noticed the news.com.au article the other day, it might have taken a little longer.

When a news source is attacked, I consider it a challenge to find independent confirmation of the story in question.

If it's not out there then I'll question the veracity of the report.

You see, it's perfectly legal for the media to lie.

And it's important to me to attempt to see through the lies.

For more info check out these threads:

Big Media and The New World Order | The Murdoch Empire

FOX, CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC etc...No ISSUES, just gossip, and the corporations are loving it!

Thanks for your interest.


reply posted on 15-3-2008 @ 02:16 PM by Quantum_Squirrel
reply to post by TheBorg


QFE

All the greatest leaders in history, ( i discount those generals that sat in little white tents 2 miles behind the front line.. because this is were the modern Leader sitting 3000 miles behind the front line comes from). stood with thier men and led from the front..

'Lead by example'
'i wouldn't ask you to do anything i wouldn't do myself' that is why those men fought with passion because thier leaders installed it into them. this has been replaced in modern times by technology....

A man sitting thousands of miles away is not best to assess the situation on the ground .. no matter how many reports he recieves.

If the leaders of a country that declare war on another country are forced to lead from the front in the first charge.. i believe a dramatic drop in wars would occur period!.

if he loves it so much i agree send him out .. the iraq war will be over in a week.


reply posted on 15-3-2008 @ 02:46 PM by vor78
reply to post by goosdawg


Like I said, if I see it from a better source, I'll consider it. Otherwise, I have better things to do with my time than to verify every story that pops up from some dubious source. I'd be here all day if I did that. Its good to know that you have so much free time on your hands that you can.

I stand by my earlier statement, however. I see no reason to believe an Iranian press report about Bush or the US at face value.

The Reuters source is good enough.


reply posted on 15-3-2008 @ 02:56 PM by jmdewey60
reply to post by TheBorg


High Five, Dude.
You are so right.
Bush has no right to call himself commander in chief. Period.
That title has a real meaning and is very spacific.
It is the title the president has while he is in the field, leading the troops in war.
None of those requirements are met in the present situation.
He should be arrested and thrown in prison for pretending to be an officer.
I am sure he has called himself the Commander in Chief already, and that is a crime.
You do not become automaticly that just by winning an election.
First you have to crawl out of your hole and be a leader, and not metaphoricly.

[edit on 15-3-2008 by jmdewey60]


reply posted on 15-3-2008 @ 02:59 PM by goosdawg
reply to post by vor78


I consider it my patriotic duty as an engaged citizen to be well informed on the issues that concern me, to the best of my ability.

If that means examining the propaganda from both sides of an issue, then so be it.

I can afford the time to think for myself, thanks.


reply posted on 15-3-2008 @ 04:16 PM by DancedWithWolves
reply to post by GradyPhilpott


Thank you for your service. Seriously. This country never properly honored the troops from the Vietnam Era. That is one of our greatest sins as a country.

That being said, there is a difference between serving in theater and state-side I believe. I'm not saying it has less value but, it is different. The things you have to do, witness and experience in-theater are a very different reality from the U.S. protective bubble.

I denigrate Bush (shrub as I saw someone else on ATS refer to him as)

You asked...

So, those of you who fault the president for his service, what have you done in the cause of freedom?


Answer: given him my first born.

What of your service?


Answer: counted real hanging chads in Florida in 2000 trying to save us from all of this muck until the suPREME court made us stop before we were done.

Why Haven't You Enlisted?


Age and have three young children I'm raising alone. The older one...please see above.

Just because we don't support GW doesn't make us any less honorable in my opinion. Seriously though....thank you again for serving in theater. It is a very brave thing to do.

Peace


reply posted on 15-3-2008 @ 04:29 PM by GradyPhilpott
reply to post by DancedWithWolves


You are correct that serving in theater is different than serving elsewhere, but you have not answered why Bush's service is not honorable.

Did you lose a child in the war?

You have my condolences and my gratitude.

But, that is no reason to fault GW's service in the Air National Guard.


reply posted on 15-3-2008 @ 04:38 PM by DancedWithWolves
reply to post by GradyPhilpott


Nooo....my son is finally coming home in April from the Middle East. I only loaned him to GW. I should have been more specific. There are many parents though who have and will experience this loss.

I denigrate George W. because he was speaking to troops who are in theater and had the audacity to speak of war as romantic to those that know its nightmares. I denigrate George W. because of his fiscal policies, his countless lies, his mentality, and his violence as a solution to everything approach.

What is it you think George W. actually did do during his prior service that makes him so out of touch with the realities of war? What were his specific duties? It's almost like he has a video-game mentality of war...it just makes no sense to speak this way to our troops.

Peace

edit: forgot the little reply to tag...back to you Grady
edit: the dastardly typos

[edit on 15-3-2008 by DancedWithWolves]

[edit on 15-3-2008 by DancedWithWolves]


reply posted on 15-3-2008 @ 04:41 PM by jmdewey60
reply to post by GradyPhilpott




but you have not answered why Bush's service is not honorable.

Pretty simple answer.
A lot more people were trying to join the Air National Guard than there was slots available.
Bush was the first to be given a spot when he was not a pilot.
He jumped in line in front of a thousand experienced pilots.
There is no evedence that he fulfilled his obligations.

[edit on 15-3-2008 by jmdewey60]
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