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Fighter Purchases and Age




Topic started on 14-3-2008 @ 09:24 PM by Zaphod58


I found and interesting yet scary article tonight. It's talking about the purchasing of fighters for the US military. Some of the numbers they throw out there are VERY scary. For example, in 1986 fighter procurement fell from a high of 399 to 60 in 1993. The US Navy purchased 171 fighters in 1986. That fell to 36 in 1993, then climbed to current levels of 40-50 a year.

By contrast, the US Air Force in 1986 bought 228, by 1993 that had crashed to 24, and fell to 0 in 1995. In 2003 it climbed back up to 21, all 21 being F-22s. The average age of those fighters has gone from 11 to over 20.

In 10 years the cost of operating the F-15 has doubled. It's estimated that the cost to repair the $12,000 longeron was $250,000 in labor. It required peeling the skin back, and removing ribs to get access to the longerons, and then putting them back together. The average age of the 441 F-15s that were grounded is 25.5. It's expected that they will be operating 177 F-15s until 2025 at which time they will be 40-45.

In the late 1990s the F-16s suffered several crashes due to engine related problems. There are 63 that have been grounded due to structural cracking. The average age of the F-16 fleet is 16.7 years.

The F/A-18 by contrast is a relatively "young" 13.6.

The B-52 fleet is 46.6 and the KC-135 is 46-48 depending on the model of tanker.


The gleaming icon of American military supremacy is the jet fighter, streamlined and lethal as it shrieks through the sky. On November 2, 2007, one of those fighters broke into pieces in the air. The pilot ejected safely, but the Air Force grounded an entire class of aircraft -- 441 A/B and C/D models of the F-15 Eagle air superiority fighter -- for most of two months. Training flights were canceled, homeland-security patrols were transferred to other aircraft, and pilots were stuck on the ground in simulators while maintenance crews conducted a series of frenzied inspections.

"There were daily conference calls with the accident investigation board," said Maj. Joe Harris, commander of the Air National Guard's 142nd Aircraft Maintenance Squadron in Portland, Ore. "We were released to fly, and then they grounded us again." Getting their base's 20 F-15s back in the air took Harris's mechanics "over 5,000 hours" of work, he said -- 250 hours per plane.

news.nationaljournal.com...#

nationaljournal.com...


[edit on 14-3-2008 by NGC2736]

[edit on 3/14/2008 by Zaphod58]



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reply posted on 14-3-2008 @ 09:51 PM by NGC2736


I guess you can reset the numbers on the crashes.

Look at this thread:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Another F-16 goes down.



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reply posted on 14-3-2008 @ 09:56 PM by Zaphod58


It's only gonna get worse. Our operational tempo is higher than it has been in years, especially for the F-16 since they had to step up and cover for the F-15s while they were grounded. ALL of our planes are past the age they SHOULD have been retired at.



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reply posted on 15-3-2008 @ 05:14 PM by James R. Hawkwood


Do the F16`s also expierince cracking problems???!!!

Man that is just not good and especialy not cool.

I sincerely hope that the US is fully aware off what for drama that is playing right now because someday this will come back at the US and haunt them forever.

[edit on 15/3/2008 by James R. Hawkwood]



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reply posted on 15-3-2008 @ 06:10 PM by Zaphod58


The current Top Gun class has been cancelled because of fuselage cracks on their Agressor F-16s. Thirteen of fourteen are grounded due to them. This is the first time EVER a Top Gun class has been cancelled. The next class, due to start in October is in jeopardy of being cancelled as well if repairs can't be completed in time.

The current cracking problem stands at roughly 3% of the fleet for the Block 25/30/32 aircraft. It's at almost 18% for the Block 40/42 aircraft. For all blocks it seems to be happening mostly around the 4500-5000 hour mark. The Block 25/30/32 aircraft seem to be mostly cracking around one of the bulkheads. The Block 40/42 aircraft are cracking right at the wing root fairing supports.



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reply posted on 18-3-2008 @ 03:59 PM by armchairaviator


This to me seems like a very serious problem, and I honestly do not know how we should be dealing with it. I think we can replace the F-15 with the F-22, but I do not have the same level of faith in the F-35 program that others might. I would almost be tempted to have the USAF purchase about 150 more F-22, new build F-16s with AESA or have the USAF buy the F-18 E/F with AESA. I am just not 100% sold on the F-35 yet.



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reply posted on 18-3-2008 @ 05:04 PM by Canada_EH


One reason for not being sold on the 35 is the simple hgh cost of the plane by the time it hits markets. give me a twin engine gryphon any day over that as it balances the need for tech as well as operations better then most planes out there.



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reply posted on 24-3-2008 @ 08:36 PM by ShatteredSkies


Instead of Airframe enhancement and upgrade programs the US should invest in whole new aircraft.

Yes it's more expensive, but in the long run it'll probably cut down on potential for accidents. I mean there's just so much you can keep a plane flying for. Things like the A-10 enhancement program was stupid, when a plane needs to be retired, retire it and get a new one going. This would probably push development and technology a lot further and bring new innovation in.

Why fix what isn't broken right? Well cutting corners to save cash will usually catch up to you, as we see with the F-15's.

That's just my opinion though.

Shattered OUT...



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