reply to post by tgambill
Let me make one thing clear. The rapture is not pre-trib as you think it is. I have scripture to back it up. Matthew 24, better known as the Olivet
Prophecy in verses 29-31.
"29: Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from
heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
30: Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming
on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31: And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His ELECT from the four winds, from one end of heaven
to the other."
Basically saying that after the tribulation he will call on all the faithful, living and dead to join him as he readies the great battle of
Even before this was said in the Olivet Prophecy, Jesus spoke in verse 9:
9: "Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you and you will be hated by all nations for My name's sake."
We will all have to go through the tribulation. What Jesus says is that those of us who are faithful to him and live by His teachings will be saved
from God's wrath.... but not from Satan's wrath. Christians will be persicuted for His name's sake. The rapture is post-trib. The whole idea of
a pre-trib rapture never existed until the 19th century when a few protestant groups started throwing the idea around. It caught great popularity
with Tim Lahaye and his "Left Behind" series of books. They are great books but they are also fiction. The word, "rapture" isn't even mentioned
in the english translation of the Bible. It is a word taken from the latin bible because of the word, "rapatua" which translates, "to meet up in
The famous verses in the new testiment that glorify the rapture is in 1 Thessalonians chapter 4 verses 13 - 18.
"13: But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope.
14: For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.
15: For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who
16: For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ
will rise first.
17: The we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be
with the Lord.
18: Therefore comfort one another with these words."
Paul is basically telling the thessalonians this to comfort them. They were worried that the people who die before the return of Christ will not
inherit his kingdom. Paul reassures them that the dead will rise first and then those of us left after the tribulation will join them to be with
Jesus forever. That passage proves a rapture.... just not a pre-trib rapture. Jesus said it in the Olivet Prophecy that his elect will be called to
the sky AFTER the tribulation. Anyone want to prove that it's a pre-trib rapture? Tim Lahaye even admits the fact that he's researching the
possibility of a pre-trib rapture. That means, he has no evidence to back up the theory. Remember, this idea of pre-trib rapture never even started
until the 19th century with a few protestant churches in America. We will all have to suffer the tribulation because we are all sinners. Being right
with God only protects you from his wrath on the anti-christ non-believers and blind in faith.