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Originally posted by WishI
reply to post by LockwithnoKey
hmmm, i guess you were right on with the word ignorant.... I am uneducated for the most part so I wouldn't know...... I am still trying to think out for myself if it is an unnatural impulse or not........hmmmmm.... I can not debate further and concede for now (untill 50 plus years from now if I happen to get any smarter by than) ......ack...dejavu...I hope it wasn't in this same thread....
Originally posted by Mr. Ree
It's probably unnatural to lust for young children who can not yet get pregnant or have an erection/produce sperm.
Humans are the only animals on Earth who do not reporduce as soon as they are physically capable.
According to wikipedia, the youngest aged birth mother was 5 years old.
These young children must be impregnated by older males who can produce sperm, which is normal for every animal on Earth - except for humans.
Everything else is just a social stigma from an adult perspective.
The OP said the cop who was busted at 8000 child porn pictures ages between 10 and 18. Every one of those "children" are capable of getting pregnent.
16,17 and 18 year olds are hardly children for the purposes of practical pregnancy or nubile quality. Far from hiding from the light of reality, it should be realized that many 12 year olds engage in sexual acts by their own choice.
Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
So you're saying all mammals get pregnant as soon as they are biologically ready to? I am asking because I don't know.
Yes, that is accurate. What is your point there?
Just because you can site an instance where a five year old girl got pregnant doesn't make it normal. In fact, even biologically, five years of age is not normal. Girls I believe are not usually 'able' until 10-13. Some girls develope very early, but that is considered an abnormality.
But what were you getting at exactly?
Interesting use of quotations. Are you sugesting a ten year old is not a child?
Sounds like you're alluding if a ten year old is physically able to get pregnant then it is not morally wrong to impregant her. Is that was you're saying? Again, just trying to understand, and not trying to judge.
The age is indeed a social stigma. It is obviously a social construct. So then what's the ideal age according to your thoughts?
Sounds like you're alluding 12 years old is 'okay'. Is that so? And if so, are you saying it's okay if an adult has sex with the 12 year old or just if it's another preteen?
The thing is, as 'make-believe' as the social norm of '18' is, there are good reasons for it. Biology isn't the only factor here! We are sentient mammals with highly vulnerable emotions. The emotional ramifications of having sex with a child/teen, regardless of being physically capable, is potentially devistating. And it usually is!
p.s I am not a Mod, but I am pretty sure linking to a 14 year old in skimpy undies is against the ToC.
Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
The logic in that is sound to me. But, ultimately what does that mean to the US who views it as 18 (tho I heard it's 16 in some US states?)?
Let's say the emotional aspect of "underage sex" is largely due to the USA's educational system and societal pressures, as you suggest, but does that ultimately change anything?
It doesn't. Unless we change the social norms at the root of it, the emotional ramifications stay the same, regardless of how other countries conduct themselves. Because of how we view it in those specific instances.
We would have to change our nations overall perception on the age of consent, and our view on maturity. Therefore, it is usally wrong to have sex with an underage person, if not only because the people in question are affected by their socially determined morality! Regardless of why it is so, they are still affected by the how of it. We think they will get emotionally damaged by having underage sex, and you know what?, they usually are. They are emotionally immature at a younger age in the US. Due to education? Due to society at large? Whateva the reason, they still is.
Again, in my opinion it depends on many factors. I wouldn't make the blanket claim that an 18 year old can't have sex with someone under 18.
As for the 14 year old in the swim suit. She looks good But I fancy this one more:
Her lovelyness, Jessica Biel
Originally posted by guppy
This story pisses me off. I agree with many of you. How can you plead guilty and then say it was an accident. Good lord!
If you are pissed at child pornography, you should read Race Against Evil by David Race Bannon.
Amazon - Race Against Evil
It is an autobiography of a guy who was hired into a secret Interpol project, called Project Archangel. Their job was to search, infiltrate and "clean" the child pornography ring.
Warning: This book is not for the light-hearted. Many times I had to put the book down because I was so angry at what people could do to innocent children.
I originally heard about this book when the author appeared as a guest on Coast to Coast AM. An interesting show to listen to as well. According to Interpol's statistics, 900,000 children a year are subjected to child pornography. 30,000 of those children are from America. It is sickening. Its a disease I believe we need to rid the world of.