I guess I'm a bit confused on this subject.

Pro-war people always claim how we're killing the terrorists 'over there' before they get us here.

How does that make any sense?

The more dirt we stir up, the more freedom fighters (or terrorists as the establishment calls them) are created.

We shoot a person, their family comes after us. It seems we've killed enough people to warrant an actual jihad against the US. And we asked for it too.

Operation Iraqi Liberation

Oppressing Islamic Lands

Outside Interventionalist Loiterings

Occasional Indiscriminate Lashings

see the pattern?

"A prominent official in the Taliban movement announced..."

BS Flag

Of course they want you to believe that crap, plus the fact that they stated no mark was left on the grave so that no one can find his body makes it even more unbelievable. That is a perfect example of disinformation my friend.

I am pretty sure that the US gov and the CIA Want us to believe OBL is alive. He is the proverbial boogeyman, Emmanuel Goldstein if you will.
There is quite a bit of evidence that says he is dead.

As to the OP. Invading Afghanistan did nothing to secure our borders. It was a war to gain terrirtory to build a pipeline that will probably never be built due to a failure in the mission, a war to secure drug profit for the CIA in opium distribution, and a way to build bases to launch other wars against the middle east. IMO anyway.

Is it just coincidence that the man hand-picked to be "president" of Afghanistan also happens to be th eman who was in charge of trying to "sell" the pipeline idea to the Taliban while they were still in power.

NATO is now learning the same lessons the Afghanies taught to Alexander the Great, the French, the British, and the Russians. Don't mess with Afghanistan.

Like Kipling said:
"When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains, and the women come out to cut up what remains, jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains and go to your god like a soldier."

Originally posted by biggie smalls
I guess I'm a bit confused on this subject.

Pro-war people always claim how we're killing the terrorists 'over there' before they get us here.

How does that make any sense?

The more dirt we stir up, the more freedom fighters (or terrorists as the establishment calls them) are created.

We shoot a person, their family comes after us. It seems we've killed enough people to warrant an actual jihad against the US. And we asked for it too.

its not as sad and as depressing as that actully we are winning the support of locals OVER the taliban LOSING favour ACTULLY more and more come to us every day giving information and tell the armd forces & thay are taking all there food and forcing there childern to fight, popularity is very low in the regions of afghanistan and the village elders/leader are sick of them, i can tell you that as a 100% fact/certainty, there is none of this kill my family & i now become a jihadist going on, there recriuts come from muslim preachers & imam etreamist's brainwashing muslims into thinking this is a holy war,

most of the insergents in afghanistan & helmand province are outsiders from pakistan and yes even british muslims have been herd by the nimrod & awak spy planes monitoring radio chatter, this could all be blocked buts its proving far more effective to just listern, hering them speaking northern english we now call this talibrum, when the few arabic language barriors with the muslim brits becomes confused,

so we are making huge huge progress out there and have there been anymore attacks? no

as for iraq thats a diffrent issuse and we need to get out,

Big,

You really don't understand at all (and wouldn't), so I am not going to try to explain it to you; since for one it would involve disclosing classified information, and secondly it would be a complete waste of my time as you are set in your way of thinking and would not comprehend the information for what it truly is. Best of luck.

Out.

I ask myself this same question every time I see the body count, especially for the Iraqi women and children, and stories about what this is costing our country. To me it all adds up to a bunch of people in DC with zero conscience about how they treat their fellow human beings.

Originally posted by biggie smalls
Starchild,


Tinhatman and BRITWARRIOR,

Great points. Bin Laden is dead. Face the facts.

[edit on 3/15/2008 by biggie smalls]

he very well could be, but i doubt it and we are still looking for him or atleast his remains, but it didnt stop the fighting in iraq when sadam was hung nore will the fighting stop in afghan if the same should happen to OBL lets just get the job done, i see no evidance the taliban are in anyway winning infact there getting a pasting everytime thay come out to play,

theres no conspiracy just confusion and for many people reading into things abit to much, relax and maybe taking a break from this site would help,