McCain says al Qaeda might try to tip U.S. election

Originally posted by Dr Love
reply to post by SaviorComplex

 

You mentioned "Republican/fear mongering" two posts above that. I think it was understood the first time. Please stop baiting.

Peace

I'm not baiting, I was further explaining my position after having given some thought.

Funny, how saying Republicans are "fear-mongering" isn't baiting, but saying a knee-jerk reaction to a republican mentioning terrorism is. If I'm baiting, then so is everyone else.

Oh wow, fear tactics... how original.

Still works for Bush though. Now the fear is about losing if they STOP wars.

Always something to fear, isnt it... at least most Americans wont fall for the same stunt again. Or will they...



[edit on 14-3-2008 by Copernicus]

Originally posted by Copernicus

Oh wow, fear tactics... how original.

Still works for Bush though. Now the fear is about losing if they STOP wars.

Always something to fear, isnt it... at least most Americans wont fall for the same stunt again. Or will they...

Jeez...look at that political-baiting!

Joking aside...how is telling people not to let terrorism influence their vote "fear-mongering?"

Well the interesting part is that both McCain and Cheney are in the Middle East....planning something? If you believe the administration line, Cheney is over in the ME to help secure Lower prices for oil.....lololol....

I just think it's odd that they are both over there now and McCain starts talking about terrorist attacks and the election. Odd...very odd!

reply to post by deltaboy


The Spain election results are consistently misrepresented by the far right.

Having talked to some Spaniards, what won the Socialists the election was the sitting government's initial attempts to lie about the attacks and blame them on the ETA for purely political reasons.

Not the "wimpy Eurocommies scared of Terrar!" BS the rightwing peanut gallery spreads...

Originally posted by realmatrix
Well the interesting part is that both McCain and Cheney are in the Middle East....planning something? If you believe the administration line, Cheney is over in the ME to help secure Lower prices for oil.....lololol....

I just think it's odd that they are both over there now and McCain starts talking about terrorist attacks and the election. Odd...very odd!

Further proof people are having a knee-jerk response to McCain daring to utter the word "terrorism," and are not engaing in rational thought about this. Odd...very odd!

Actually, John McCain was in Pennsylvania, not the Middle East when he made the comments. And they were said in the context of attacks happening in Iraq, not the United States.

McCain, at a town hall meeting in this Philadelphia suburb, was asked if he had concerns that anti-American militants in Iraq might ratchet up their activities in Iraq to try to increase casualties in September or October and tip the November election against him.

SOURCE

But hey, don't let the facts get in the way.

Originally posted by xmotex
The Spain election results are consistently misrepresented by the far right.

Having talked to some Spaniards, what won the Socialists the election was the sitting government's initial attempts to lie about the attacks and blame them on the ETA for purely political reasons.

The bombings happened three days before the elections; one cannot deny they were set off in an attempt to influence the election. In fact, one of the reasons the government attempted to tie the bombings to the ETA was because they knew if it was blamed on al'Qaeda it would tip the election against them, as the War in Iraq was very unpopular.

[edit on 14-3-2008 by Copernicus]

Originally posted by SaviorComplex

Originally posted by realmatrix
Well the interesting part is that both McCain and Cheney are in the Middle East....planning something? If you believe the administration line, Cheney is over in the ME to help secure Lower prices for oil.....lololol....

I just think it's odd that they are both over there now and McCain starts talking about terrorist attacks and the election. Odd...very odd!

Further proof people are having a knee-jerk response to McCain daring to utter the word "terrorism," and are not engaing in rational thought about this. Odd...very odd!

Actually, John McCain was in Pennsylvania, not the Middle East when he made the comments. And they were said in the context of attacks happening in Iraq, not the United States.

McCain, at a town hall meeting in this Philadelphia suburb, was asked if he had concerns that anti-American militants in Iraq might ratchet up their activities in Iraq to try to increase casualties in September or October and tip the November election against him.

SOURCE

But hey, don't let the facts get in the way.

McCAIN head to Middle East:

After Tuesday's primary results, which ended the race for the Republican nomination and prolonged that for the Democratic nod, the three remaining campaigns must re-examine their strategies....

...Immediately following his New Hampshire trek, McCain will head overseas on a 10-day congressional delegation trip to Europe and the Middle East that will coincide with the Senate's spring recess.

After returning on Easter Sunday -- March 23 -- McCain will deliver a major speech that week detailing his observations from the trip.
www.huffingtonpost.com...

And Here:

(CNN) — John McCain will lead a congressional delegation to Europe and the Middle East next week, his Senate office announced Monday.

McCain will visit Jerusalem, London, and Paris next Tuesday through Friday. He will be joined by South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham, a longtime supporter of the Arizona senator's presidential bid, and Independent Sen. Joe Lieberman.

Lieberman, a former Democrat, endorsed McCain late last year.
politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...

Cheney goes to ME:

Vice President Dick Cheney is on his way to the Middle East to do something about skyrocketing oil prices. We’ll pause here to give you a chance to stop laughing. Cheney will meet with the leaders of Saudi Arabia, Oman and Turkey. The White House says it wants OPEC to increase production.

This is the same Dick Cheney who was chairman and CEO of Halliburton before becoming vice president. The same Dick Cheney who headed up the administration’s highly secretive energy task force. The administration’s energy policy, such as it is, was crafted with the help of oil industry executives and lobbyists including former Enron Chairman Ken Lay. These meetings were held behind closed doors and the records from them remain secret to this day.
caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com...

Both Cheney and McCain will be in the ME during the same time frame this week and next. This coupled with McCain suddenly talking about terrorism and the Election is an odd coincidence....especially based on the history of scare tactics from this administration.

[edit on 14-3-2008 by realmatrix]

Originally posted by SaviorComplex
Joking aside...how is telling people not to let terrorism influence their vote "fear-mongering?"

McCain wants to continue the war, he just needs more public support. Since the public dont want the war, he plays along for now. But when a large attack on US troops gets carried out and 50 US soldiers die in some bomb blast, he will be at the front line promising America revenge with flags waving in the background and the crowd applauding etc...

Of course he doesnt want to look like the war monger he is. This is politics. Appearance is everything for the dirt bags who wants to run the country. Even Bush looked like a real Mr Charming before he got elected.


[edit on 14-3-2008 by Copernicus]

reply to post by SaviorComplex


Actually, I suspect that if they had been honest about the attacks in the first place, they would have won that election. I know of at least one Spanish voter who changed his vote because the government lied, and he says he's not the only one.

The idea that the attacks "scared" Spaniards into voting for the Socialists is based on a fundamental misunderstanding of human psychology common among the far right, who are blindly in love with the idea of authority and power. In reality attempts to intimidate a populace usually just serve to royally piss off the populace in question.

Had the Spanish government used the attacks as a rallying cry instead of attempting to deceive the public, they might have been able to turn around an (already losing) campaign.

Ignoring the possibilty will not keep it from happening.

What he is talking about happened in Spain a few years ago and it did affect the results of their election.

I understand the sentiments but what if he is correct?

Originally posted by SaviorComplex
Thinking about this a bit further, I don't believe most people actually read McCain's comments and fully digested them. Instead, they saw a Republican mentioned terrorism, and they had a knee-jerk, pavlovian reaction, and screamed, "fear-mongering!"

But if you read what McCain is saying, it's the opposite of fear-mongering. He says al'Qaeda may attack to tip the balance against him, and in essence is making an imploration not to let fear influence the vote.

[edit on 14-3-2008 by SaviorComplex]

It's a stupid thing to say. "Al qaeda might try to attack, to tip the vote against me"

Maybe McGCain should grow some balls and just say "al qaeda wants Obama to win". I mean hell, if you're going to be a raving moonbat, be a freaking raving moonbat.

And would this be the same al qaeda that we're bating back, that we have on the run, that is crippled and near its end due to the war in Iraq, or are we talking about a different al qaeda?

America: Winning the War on Terror unless we're not

[edit on 14-3-2008 by TheWalkingFox]

Originally posted by Copernicus
McCain wants to continue the war, he just needs more public support. Since the public dont want the war, he plays along for now.

If you think that either of the Democrat candidates are going to "end the war" or wouldn't do the exact same thing if the scenario you envision happened, you're deluding yourself.

Originally posted by realmatrix
Both Cheney and McCain will be in the ME during the same time frame this week and next. This coupled with McCain suddenly talking about terrorism and the Election is an odd coincidence...

What is odd is that you don't have one bit of reading comphrension, especially when they are your own words. You said he was in the Middle East...he isn't even there yet, which your articles back up.

Originally posted by realmatrix
Well the interesting part is that both McCain and Cheney are in the Middle East....planning something

You said he was in the Middle East when the comment was made. I demonstrated he wasn't.

But you're right, a presidential candidate talking about an issue of the day is very odd. My god, there must be a conspiracy afoot!

Expect Hillary or Obama to make similar trips when their race is settled. Such jaunts are not unusual for candidates. Will you then accuse them of fear-mongering if they dare mention the unspeakable t-word.

Let's talk about fear-mongering for a moment. Without evidence, you are accusing someone of conspiring to kill or maim Americans (other than the fact he dropped the t-bomb). That sound like fear-mongering to anyone else? "Watch out, the Republican bogeyman is out to get us!"

Given the situation in Iraq, you'll be able to point to even the most minor of incidents and say, "See! See! Proof! McCain was up to something! I told you so!" And the pavlovian idiots will nod along.

[edit on 15-3-2008 by SaviorComplex]

Hmmm let's see...

I want to be president but the competition will be fierce, what should I do?

Oh yeah, I got it!!

Use scare tactics like my other fellow republicans and say that Al-Qaeda may tip the election against me so people will vote for me since I speak the truth (NOT)!!

Jeeez, give us a frickin' break here....

P.S I have nothing against the soldiers of our military. The way Mcain uses his POW story as making himself appear credible is just ridiculous. Just because he went through all that doesn't outweigh bad he's done....PLUS he's endorsed by Bush SR. & G Dubya!!

geez, I guess I should expect partisan stuff here, but we have Obama, Clinton or McCain. These are the choices. I wanted Ron Paul and then Huckabee and now anyone other than Clinton. I hate Bush but I won't compare him to McCain and I have nothing bad to say about McCain. I just want a change of all the Washington players. Maybe that means Obama. I don't know but any Al Qaeda attack in Iraq won't make any difference to anyone that is not myopic about all of the issues.
Most of the people don't know what the hell a conservative or liberal is anymore. Bush obviously isn't a conservative. We don't get to vote for Robert F Kenedy Jr. either.
You guys can bait each other with partisian rhetoric but you might get more bang for your buck by taking on Michael Moore or Rush fat ass Limbaugh.
An Attack by Al Qaeda anywhere in the world will not make a difference to any of us that are concerned with the big picture because any of the candidates will protect us the same but who is going to mend fences with everyone we have pissed off.

It's as if Mc Cain want's to say "A Vote for the Dems is a Vote for Terror!".


Why doesn't he just come out and say that for goodness sakes, if that is what he believes. And if he doesn't actually believe that then he should explain exactly how Al Qaeda could have an effect on the elections.

Come on Mc Cain, show us you have a spine and answer these questions instead of fear mongering like a wimp.

reply to post by SaviorComplex


Do you REALLY think that terrorist are going to attack the US before the election. I mean McCain has certainly supported the air tight border security we have...so there is absolutely no way that terrorist can attack the U.S.....(right!)

What's odd is that a man who wants to keep our borders open and unprotected is giving a song and dance about us being afraid of terrorist, while at the same time doing everything he can to keep borders and ports relatively open and easy to attack.

He would get more traction saying that we are going to curtail all immigration for a 2 year period until we can secure our borders and ports.

Short of doing something like that, why should we fear the fact that neo-cons have something in the works to scare the public before the next election.

And by neocons in don't mean your typical conservatives....I mean the num-brains like Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Cambone, Feith, and of course Kristol!




[edit on 16-3-2008 by realmatrix]

reply to post by Res Ipsa


I can't believe I forgot to point out the obvious! If Al Qadea or any other group that wants to destroy America, has even half a brain, they would want Bush to stay in office and if that isn't an option then they would want McCain. Since 9/11 we have let Bush and his boys attack our Constitution without 90% of Americans even noticing. No terrorist group or rouge nation could have ever hoped to do the damage to us as this administration has. Why in the world would they want an Obama as President? Hyberbole on my part? What did Bush do to Habeas Corpus?
Could any terror group attack that? I don't know # about McCain as far as if he is like Bush or not but he is obviously a better choice to those that hope we are hoist upon our own pitards.