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reply posted on 14-3-2008 @ 02:31 PM by SaviorComplex
Originally posted by Dr Love
reply to post by SaviorComplex


You mentioned "Republican/fear mongering" two posts above that. I think it was understood the first time. Please stop baiting.

Peace


I'm not baiting, I was further explaining my position after having given some thought.

Funny, how saying Republicans are "fear-mongering" isn't baiting, but saying a knee-jerk reaction to a republican mentioning terrorism is. If I'm baiting, then so is everyone else.


reply posted on 14-3-2008 @ 02:50 PM by xmotex
reply to post by deltaboy


The Spain election results are consistently misrepresented by the far right.

Having talked to some Spaniards, what won the Socialists the election was the sitting government's initial attempts to lie about the attacks and blame them on the ETA for purely political reasons.

Not the "wimpy Eurocommies scared of Terrar!" BS the rightwing peanut gallery spreads...


reply posted on 14-3-2008 @ 03:10 PM by realmatrix
Originally posted by SaviorComplex
Originally posted by realmatrix
Well the interesting part is that both McCain and Cheney are in the Middle East....planning something? If you believe the administration line, Cheney is over in the ME to help secure Lower prices for oil.....lololol....

I just think it's odd that they are both over there now and McCain starts talking about terrorist attacks and the election. Odd...very odd!



Further proof people are having a knee-jerk response to McCain daring to utter the word "terrorism," and are not engaing in rational thought about this. Odd...very odd!

Actually, John McCain was in Pennsylvania, not the Middle East when he made the comments. And they were said in the context of attacks happening in Iraq, not the United States.

McCain, at a town hall meeting in this Philadelphia suburb, was asked if he had concerns that anti-American militants in Iraq might ratchet up their activities in Iraq to try to increase casualties in September or October and tip the November election against him.
SOURCE

But hey, don't let the facts get in the way.


McCAIN head to Middle East:
After Tuesday's primary results, which ended the race for the Republican nomination and prolonged that for the Democratic nod, the three remaining campaigns must re-examine their strategies....

...Immediately following his New Hampshire trek, McCain will head overseas on a 10-day congressional delegation trip to Europe and the Middle East that will coincide with the Senate's spring recess.

After returning on Easter Sunday -- March 23 -- McCain will deliver a major speech that week detailing his observations from the trip.
www.huffingtonpost.com...


And Here:
(CNN) — John McCain will lead a congressional delegation to Europe and the Middle East next week, his Senate office announced Monday.

McCain will visit Jerusalem, London, and Paris next Tuesday through Friday. He will be joined by South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham, a longtime supporter of the Arizona senator's presidential bid, and Independent Sen. Joe Lieberman.

Lieberman, a former Democrat, endorsed McCain late last year.
politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...


Cheney goes to ME:
Vice President Dick Cheney is on his way to the Middle East to do something about skyrocketing oil prices. We’ll pause here to give you a chance to stop laughing. Cheney will meet with the leaders of Saudi Arabia, Oman and Turkey. The White House says it wants OPEC to increase production.

This is the same Dick Cheney who was chairman and CEO of Halliburton before becoming vice president. The same Dick Cheney who headed up the administration’s highly secretive energy task force. The administration’s energy policy, such as it is, was crafted with the help of oil industry executives and lobbyists including former Enron Chairman Ken Lay. These meetings were held behind closed doors and the records from them remain secret to this day.
caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com...


Both Cheney and McCain will be in the ME during the same time frame this week and next. This coupled with McCain suddenly talking about terrorism and the Election is an odd coincidence....especially based on the history of scare tactics from this administration.

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reply posted on 14-3-2008 @ 03:18 PM by xmotex
reply to post by SaviorComplex


Actually, I suspect that if they had been honest about the attacks in the first place, they would have won that election. I know of at least one Spanish voter who changed his vote because the government lied, and he says he's not the only one.

The idea that the attacks "scared" Spaniards into voting for the Socialists is based on a fundamental misunderstanding of human psychology common among the far right, who are blindly in love with the idea of authority and power. In reality attempts to intimidate a populace usually just serve to royally piss off the populace in question.

Had the Spanish government used the attacks as a rallying cry instead of attempting to deceive the public, they might have been able to turn around an (already losing) campaign.


reply posted on 15-3-2008 @ 09:27 PM by SaviorComplex
Originally posted by realmatrix
Both Cheney and McCain will be in the ME during the same time frame this week and next. This coupled with McCain suddenly talking about terrorism and the Election is an odd coincidence...


What is odd is that you don't have one bit of reading comphrension, especially when they are your own words. You said he was in the Middle East...he isn't even there yet, which your articles back up.

Originally posted by realmatrix
Well the interesting part is that both McCain and Cheney are in the Middle East....planning something


You said he was in the Middle East when the comment was made. I demonstrated he wasn't.

But you're right, a presidential candidate talking about an issue of the day is very odd. My god, there must be a conspiracy afoot!

Expect Hillary or Obama to make similar trips when their race is settled. Such jaunts are not unusual for candidates. Will you then accuse them of fear-mongering if they dare mention the unspeakable t-word.

Let's talk about fear-mongering for a moment. Without evidence, you are accusing someone of conspiring to kill or maim Americans (other than the fact he dropped the t-bomb). That sound like fear-mongering to anyone else? "Watch out, the Republican bogeyman is out to get us!"

Given the situation in Iraq, you'll be able to point to even the most minor of incidents and say, "See! See! Proof! McCain was up to something! I told you so!" And the pavlovian idiots will nod along.

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reply posted on 16-3-2008 @ 03:44 PM by realmatrix
reply to post by SaviorComplex


Do you REALLY think that terrorist are going to attack the US before the election. I mean McCain has certainly supported the air tight border security we have...so there is absolutely no way that terrorist can attack the U.S.....(right!)

What's odd is that a man who wants to keep our borders open and unprotected is giving a song and dance about us being afraid of terrorist, while at the same time doing everything he can to keep borders and ports relatively open and easy to attack.

He would get more traction saying that we are going to curtail all immigration for a 2 year period until we can secure our borders and ports.

Short of doing something like that, why should we fear the fact that neo-cons have something in the works to scare the public before the next election.

And by neocons in don't mean your typical conservatives....I mean the num-brains like Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Cambone, Feith, and of course Kristol!




[edit on 16-3-2008 by realmatrix]


reply posted on 26-3-2008 @ 11:18 AM by Res Ipsa
reply to post by Res Ipsa


I can't believe I forgot to point out the obvious! If Al Qadea or any other group that wants to destroy America, has even half a brain, they would want Bush to stay in office and if that isn't an option then they would want McCain. Since 9/11 we have let Bush and his boys attack our Constitution without 90% of Americans even noticing. No terrorist group or rouge nation could have ever hoped to do the damage to us as this administration has. Why in the world would they want an Obama as President? Hyberbole on my part? What did Bush do to Habeas Corpus?
Could any terror group attack that? I don't know # about McCain as far as if he is like Bush or not but he is obviously a better choice to those that hope we are hoist upon our own pitards.
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