Originally posted by chinawhite

Originally posted by IAF101
The French did get democracy from America.

You are being ridiculous. France won its own democracy after it overthrew Loius VIX

You are being obtuse. America helped them set up the French thrid republic government and system of democracy because of the French assistance to our independence struggle.

Originally posted by chinawhite

America is the first truly democratic system in the world till date.

No it isn't

A communist debating what democratic hisotry? Ludicrous. Read a book on US history.

Originally posted by chinawhite

They not only talked about democracy they implemented it and built the greatest nation on earth.

You mean thieves and bandits trying to run away from imperial justice

You are mistaking Australia for America. There were no bandits. The early immigrants escaped religious persecution in Europe. Later people escaping the drought in Europe came in large numbers to America.

Unlike the slave labor contracted from china to build the railroad in America.

Originally posted by chinawhite

Tonnes, Try Google!

Why dont you post the pictures here

Because your barbarian communist government refuses to allow international journalists from giving coverage of the riots from Tibet. We have to rely on crude snapshots and photos from those few people brave enough to brave the Chinese "people's thugs" to take pictures.

There are videos of Chinese soldiers shooting Tibetans, picture of Tibetans being shot on the road side. But not from this riot. Like I said. Try Google.

Originally posted by chinawhite

Anything will do as long as it is independent, verifiable and non statistical.

The rules out statistics all together than

Stop evading and present your proof already.

Originally posted by chinawhite

Originally posted by IAF101


Prove it.

ROFL, You made lied and tried to pass it as the truth. Truly pathetic. But what can you expect from a son of a thief

The pictures caption

A man lies injured in the street during street protests, Friday, March 14, 2008, in Lhasa,Tibet. Protests led by Buddhist monks against Chinese rule in Tibet turned violent Friday, with shops and vehicles torched and gunshots echoing through the streets of the ancient capital, Lhasa.


I guess you never actually seen a Tibetan before. They have a darker complexion,

ROFL,

I made nothing. Can you read the caption ? Where does it say it was a HAN Chiense like you claimed ?? It talks about a man injured in a street protest, hence Tibetan as he was likely protesting. Look at the other tibetans around him. Yet you claim that he is "han" Chinese ?

As for having a darker complexion, compared to Chinese they all look the same. I've been even to Dharamshala there is no difference between them and the guy who sells me my KungPow Chicken and Chow Mein!

Tibet has more mobile phone users than fixed phones users

According to sources from the Communication Administration of Tibet Autonomous Region, by the end of 2003, there were 270, 800 users of fixed phone in Tibet, and the mobile phone users reached 330, 900. The number of mobile phone users for the first time exceeded that of the fixed phone users.

This figure is for 2004 only, and if you have a phone or brought a phone or will know they have a camera built in them. If you have been to china, you will also know that the percentage of phones without a camera is less than 5% because makers only make what the consumer want

Originally posted by chinawhite

Originally posted by IAF101
10 people dead doesnt justify killing 100 tibetans.

UNCONFIRMED REPORTS YOU FOOL.

They haven't provided ANY evidence

The articles even say unconfirmed and you still use that number.

You are the fool to ask for "evidence" when you barbaric government doesnt allow for any independent reporting of the facts!

Originally posted by chinawhite
There are tibetans running around with Molotov cocktails, machetes or even guns according to some reports. Police HAVE EVERY right to protect themselves. Even though they have that right, there hasn't been any proof which suggest that they have actually fired and killed 100

There are Chinese military thugs in APC's and tanks going around Lhasa killing and attacking everyday Tibetans randomly. The Tibetans have every right to take back their homeland. There hasnt been any proof to show despite all the allegations that 100+ tibetans werent killed by Chinese forces.

Originally posted by chinawhite
Tibetans claimed in 1959 that the chinese killed 1.2million tibetans. The 1953 census has only 1.23 million tibetans. If we did kill that much it means that we depopulated tibet. But the population is 5 million

I'm sure the Chinese would have us believe that the Tibetans came running to embrace that pervert Mao. But everbody who has visited Lhasa prior to 1959 says the destruction to Lhasa has been extreem.
How can you have population reports for 1953 when the region itself was largely ungoverned and there was very little if any record keeping of births and deaths ??
Also even if you killed 1.2 million Tibetans the population being 5 million now doesnt mean anything. It is more than 50 years plus the millions of Han's that have come and settled there in China.

Do you actually expect me to believe in Chinese numbers to be true when they ignore the deaths of 100+ people in riots recently so that they dont loose face??

Sorry, I dont buy Communist BS excuses.

Originally posted by chinawhite
If this American forces, we would be killed 10 year old girls in the street

Since its Chinese forces in Chinese occupied territory we will never find out if you did will we ?

Originally posted by chinawhite

If they are so sure, why dont they let international journalists into Tibet to tell the truth ???

Oh, let me see. There are Tibetans running around with guns and we cannot guarantee their safety

Nowhere does it say that they have gune.

Even if they have guns they arent attacking any foreign things.

Also even if you cant promise their safety why dont you let them in anyway?? Or are you saying that your Tibet is more dangerous than even Iraq during the height of the insurgency there ??

Isnt it a shame that 2 million odd military cant even protect a few journalists in Tibet from some stone throwing and arsonist mobs ?? Pathetic.

Originally posted by chinawhite

Also prove that there is "mass proliferation" of digital cameras and camera phones in Tibet. How many foreign hospitals are there in Tibet ??

Oh my god. Try going to China

Why should I ? Try allowing a camera crews and few reports into Tibet to tell the world of what is going on there first.

Originally posted by chinawhite

Tibet has more mobile phone users than fixed phones users

According to sources from the Communication Administration of Tibet Autonomous Region, by the end of 2003, there were 270, 800 users of fixed phone in Tibet, and the mobile phone users reached 330, 900. The number of mobile phone users for the first time exceeded that of the fixed phone users.

This figure is for 2004 only, and if you have a phone or brought a phone or will know they have a camera built in them. If you have been to china, you will also know that the percentage of phones without a camera is less than 5% because makers only make what the consumer want

You talk like a man ouit of time.

I have a blackberry. It doesnt have a camera. So is it not a phone ? There are many phones without a camera. Unless you can prove that at least 50% of those 330 thousand odd phones have cameras, it doesnt mean anything.

[edit on 15-3-2008 by IAF101]

Originally posted by IAF101
Where does it say it was a HAN Chiense like you claimed ?

Because it says

A man lies injured in the street during street protests, Friday, March 14, 2008, in Lhasa,Tibet.

BEFORE the police arrived on the 15th.

Not to mention that no other "Tibetan" is helping him. I'm looking at CCTV right now to find a face for that name



But according to you, they look the same YET you claimed it was a tibetan anyway

Originally posted by IAF101
So is it not a phone ? There are many phones without a camera. Unless you can prove that at least 50% of those 330 thousand odd phones have cameras, it doesnt mean anything.

Stupid argument since you never been to china and seen the phones on sale.

Why dont you prove that it doesn't

CNN picture and the real thing

Originally posted by chinawhite

Originally posted by IAF101
Where does it say it was a HAN Chiense like you claimed ?

Because it says

A man lies injured in the street during street protests, Friday, March 14, 2008, in Lhasa,Tibet.

BEFORE the police arrived on the 15th.

Not to mention that no other "Tibetan" is helping him. I'm looking at CCTV right now to find a face for that name

It says man lies injured in the street. It doesnt say it was Chinese . Also where were the police on the 14th ?? Are you saying that on the 14th there were no police in Lhasa ? Yet they Tibetan monks were beat up and arrested ? That means the Chinese police is pretty bad as they were absent enmass on one day.

Obviously, CCTV, the Chinese Closed Circuit Communist TV will not tell how many Tibetans have been killed.

[edit on 16-3-2008 by IAF101]

Originally posted by IAF101
Probably because you cant give one due to your ignorance.

Coming from the person claiming that America gifted the French democracy

oh please

You have shown that you are a communist apologist here.

You have shown that your a fool aswell as a racist

John Hancock is dead and never was a bandit.

So because a law is unjust according to some people it is fair to break it?. So people thinking its unfair to smuggle drugs are in the clear?...

Pfff.

Yes, bravest people in the world hiding in an APC from a Molotov cocktail.

Or Americans, sitting in their airplanes shooting innocent Iraqis. Very brave

All three articles say that the Iraq death toll is over a million. Also all of them are based on statistics which I said was irrelevant. Also I aksed you for proof that US military killed a million people in Iraq. It says Iraqi death toll in total. Not that they were killed by the US military.

OH, SNAP

What did you do with the Tibetan killed?



Pathetic double standards

Originally posted by chinawhite

Originally posted by IAF101
So is it not a phone ? There are many phones without a camera. Unless you can prove that at least 50% of those 330 thousand odd phones have cameras, it doesnt mean anything.

Stupid argument since you never been to china and seen the phones on sale.

Why dont you prove that it doesn't

Since you are making the claims it is your onus to prove them.

If you cant they will be considered as yet more propaganda from a Communist apologist.

Originally posted by IAF101
It says man lies injured in the street. It doesnt say it was Chinese . Also where were the police on the 14th ?? Are you saying that on the 14th there were no police in Lhasa ? Yet they Tibetan monks were beat up and arrested ? That means the Chinese police is pretty bad as they were absent enmass on one day.

Tibetan monks was on the 12th when it first started, then the crowd turned on them



The police from the same day, if they can't protect a firefighter, how are they meant to go after one in the crowd and NOT even arrest him


Firefighter lying on the ground after been pelted with stones



Not your "monks" but a youth gang, Notice the guy holding that large machete


Another example of their peaceful protest


Same as above (not the army, its the PAP or SWAT with RUBBER bullets)