Massacre in Tibet!

A question for both ideological camps:

Setting aside for a moment the build-up to the protest, setting aside the pros and cons of historical events, setting aside the ideological battles at play; What should China have done?

We have a situation that can only be termed as a Riot. Citizens attacking police, attacking fire crews, attacking passers-by. Numerous buildings were set on fire - shops, a major market, and according to at least one report, a mosque.

All of the news reports I`ve seen coming from the west over the last couple of days have been critical of the Chinese response as heavy handed.

It strikes me that there were two options: send in police, SWAT style riot cops, and soldiers if you have them on hand to keep it all from spiraling out of control, or respond with a light touch (or none at all) - which would be ineffective, and under these circumstances lead to a much higher casualty rate, and a much higher loss in terms of property.

So -an open question- what would you have done? Would you have let the rioters go, run amok and burn the city? What purpose would that serve? Or would you have ordered in the troops, imposed a curfew, and told everyone to stay off the streets until it all died down, and then proceeded with your next move after the situation has cooled down?

Originally posted by chinawhite

Originally posted by IAF101
There are many treaties. The Geneva convention, the UN charter, the NATO, the SCO etc.

Focusing on the particular peace treaties.

Fine.
START 1, START 2. The peace treaty by the IRA and UK. etc.

Sorry I cant provide a peace treaty by the Chinese which they actually honored.

Originally posted by chinawhite

Provide PROOF that it cannot support more than 5 million people first.

Are you talking about arable land?

Dont be so naive! Arable land doesnt imply anything.

Originally posted by chinawhite
The country of slaves accuses others of slavery. Ill be dammed.

You description echos US policy. Palestine, Iraq, Vietnam.

Again the banal defense.

There are no slaves in America and the majority were never slaves.

Neither Palestine, Iraq nor Vietnam were ever under US rule ever.

Unlike China!

Originally posted by chinawhite
Proclamation Act 1763 for starters

Heads up: The British were in North America much much before 1760s!

Originally posted by chinawhite

Most Indian territories are totally autonomous and have their own set of laws and regulations where they live according to their own traditions and customs.

So they swapped their land for little reservations. Gee good trade.

They were the ones which survived

Very good trade. The rest have integrated into the American society at large.

Unlike Communist barbarism which involved displacing millions of people to set up China towns all over the world in the name of "Cultural" restoration!

Unlike Communist China which despite occupying illegally Tibet refuses to give Tibetans any autonomy or recognize its traditions and culture due to its draconian philosophy.

It is a shame to see that there are people who have no concept of remorse or gilt for the crimes of their country and their country's crimes against humanity.

vox2442,

Hopefully your post will convince someone people with some sense to look at the issue with out bias. Obviously I got people stirred up and lots hope of convincing them since they have been polarized the other way

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I think the freedom of speech point went over your head. Yes my freedom of speech, other countries have their own. What freedoms of speech do the chinese and Tibetans have? We all know you are not sitting in mainland china using the internet to talk with us.

Originally posted by chinawhite

Originally posted by IAF101
These are your crimes - FACE THEM.

ROFL,

The 10 people who died ARE HAN CHINESE.


Show me some pictures of these wounded and dead Tibetans. Why dont I quote Bin Laden on American atrocities.

ROFL,

The 100+ people killed by Chinese police and thugs are TIBETANS, NOT Chinese.

There are very few pictures of dead Tibetan because of the Communist government is too ashamed to allow International journalists to Tibet even after 1 week of the riot. But here:


Apparently Yahoo.com is equal to Bin Laden!

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Originally posted by IAF101
START 1, START 2. The peace treaty by the IRA and UK. etc.

START treaties weren't peace treaties

LOL, Your really suggesting that they wont imposed. START 1 the Russians accepted because the cold war was nearly its end and there was no way they could compete still. It was American attempts to have anti-missile capability which actually escalated the war

Sorry I cant provide a peace treaty by the Chinese which they actually honored

Korean War.
Indo-Chinese War
Sino-Vietnamese war

This is basically it for the modern PRC


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Dont be so naive! Arable land doesnt imply anything.

Only the amount of land which can be used to growth food to support the population

There are no slaves in America and the majority were never slaves.
Neither Palestine, Iraq nor Vietnam were ever under US rule ever.

Of there weren't salves now. One fifth of the American population in 1776 were slaves and most black Americans were slaves.

IRAQ AND VIETNAM ARE.

MILITARY RULE

Are you seriously trying to deny this?

Unlike Communist China which despite occupying illegally Tibet refuses to give Tibetans any autonomy or recognize its traditions and culture due to its draconian philosophy.

Only after what?.

300 years.

Very nice development phase

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Glad to see you here. I was afraid I was going to have to crush the communist all by myself. There is some serious butt head logic in this thread.

Originally posted by chinawhite

You heard it here first.

America invented democracy. Australia was gifted democracy by the Americans, France was gifted democracy by the Americans, Britan was gifted democracy by the Americans

This site is American. The freedom you enjoy is mostly if not partly due to America. The French did get democracy from America.
America is the first truly democratic system in the world till date.

Originally posted by chinawhite
Your forefathers were either SLAVEOWNERS or Smugglers and they talked about democracy and sugar-coated the constitution with phases such as "every man is born equal". They were SLAVE OWNERS for god sake.

BTW: Not everyone owned slaves

ROFL,
Too craven to make a statement without a caveat ??

No my forefathers were German farmers and later Americans farmers under imperial rule. They not only talked about democracy they implemented it and built the greatest nation on earth.

Your forefathers on the other hand were illiterate and savage peons of tyrants and now you are a literate peon and apologist of yet another tyrannical system.

Originally posted by chinawhite

In China, if you had supported the Tibetans like this you would have gotten beat up or shot like the Tibetan Monks.

Any evidence of Monks being shot?

Tonnes, Try Google!

Originally posted by chinawhite

Proof that the American military has killed 1 million Iraqi's from an independent and non statistical source.

What, should I use the evidence from Collin Powell ?

Anything will do as long as it is independent, verifiable and non statistical.

The picture you posted is of a CHINESE MAN.

Your trying to claim it is Tibetan

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You miss one finite point...we no longer have slaves, haven't for a while now. However I am curious to know what you think of chinese school children being blown up because they were filling fireworks shells.

Originally posted by IAF101
The 100+ people killed by Chinese police and thugs are TIBETANS, NOT Chinese.

I said the 10 the governemtn reported


Most of them being Chinese NOT tibetans.

Reports of up to 100 deaths in Tibet

TIBET'S government-in-exile says it has received "unconfirmed reports" of as many as 100 deaths in unrest in the Chinese-controlled Himalayan region.

This conflicts with a death toll of 10 , reported by China's official news agency Xinhua. Xinhua said 10 people burnt to death in riots in the Tibetan capital Lhasa, the fiercest pro-independence protests to have rocked the region in two decades, scarring China's image months before the Olympics.

Xinhua news agency said the 10 died in the bitter clashes that erupted in the remote mountain capital yesterday, having initially said seven. It said no foreigners died but gave few other details.

"The victims are all innocent civilians and they have been burnt to death,'' an official with the regional government was quoted as saying.

"it also said armed police in Lhasa rescued more than 580 people, including three Japanese tourists, from banks, supermarkets, schools and hospitals that were set alight.

More than 160 fires, including 40 major blazes, were reported, it said.
www.news.com.au...

Evidence on CCTV

Images captured on cellphone cameras and posted on the Internet showed protesters burning Chinese flags and running through the streets of Lhasa shouting independence slogans.
Boston News

Unconfirmed reports????.
The Tibetans can make phones calls and use the internet but they DONT have any pictures even with the mass proliferation of digital cameras and camera phones. NO FOREIGN HOSPITAL has even reported gun shot wounds


More propaganda from this peaceful protest

Originally posted by IAF101
The French did get democracy from America.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

You are being ridiculous. France won its own democracy after it overthrew Loius VIX

America is the first truly democratic system in the world till date.

No it isn't

They not only talked about democracy they implemented it and built the greatest nation on earth.

You mean thieves and bandits trying to run away from imperial justice

Tonnes, Try Google!

Why dont you post the pictures here

Anything will do as long as it is independent, verifiable and non statistical.

The rules out statistics all together than

Originally posted by chinawhite

Originally posted by IAF101
START 1, START 2. The peace treaty by the IRA and UK. etc.

START treaties weren't peace treaties

LOL, Your really suggesting that they wont imposed. START 1 the Russians accepted because the cold war was nearly its end and there was no way they could compete still. It was American attempts to have anti-missile capability which actually escalated the war

Please go read some history or get some western education on the subject before you blatantly lie.

START treaties were used as the building blocks for peace between the US and the USSR. Not because the USSR couldnt compete technologically because they were essentially dismantling what they already had and it is well known that they had more warheads than America but because it was building block to peace.

Originally posted by chinawhite

Sorry I cant provide a peace treaty by the Chinese which they actually honored

Korean War.
Indo-Chinese War
Sino-Vietnamese war

This is basically it for the modern PRC

All of which they broke. Indian war, they signed the treaty with Nehru in India, they broke it and attacked India. The Vietnamese signed a pact with the Chinese, the Chinese broke it and attacked the Vietnamese and lost.

LOL, no wonder the Chinese were never associated with the word "honorable".

Originally posted by chinawhite

Dont be so naive! Arable land doesnt imply anything.

Only the amount of land which can be used to growth food to support the population

In which century ??

Japan has 127 million people. Do you think they have enough arable land? Dont be dense.

Originally posted by chinawhite

There are no slaves in America and the majority were never slaves.
Neither Palestine, Iraq nor Vietnam were ever under US rule ever.

Of there weren't salves now. One fifth of the American population in 1776 were slaves and most black Americans were slaves.

IRAQ AND VIETNAM ARE.

MILITARY RULE

Are you seriously trying to deny this?

Yes.

1/5th isnt "most". Also population statistics before the 19th century are irrelevant as they are absolutely wrong.

IRAQ is ruled by the Iraq government. South Vietnam during the Vietnam war was again ruled by the Vietnamese government. There was never military rule in Vietnam. Iraq had only temporary coaltiion rule till Iraqi elections could be held.

Originally posted by chinawhite

Unlike Communist China which despite occupying illegally Tibet refuses to give Tibetans any autonomy or recognize its traditions and culture due to its draconian philosophy.

Only after what?.

300 years.

Very nice development phase

Animals have developed to their present form over many millenia, in the end the qualities of each animal today determines its place. So a cockroach cant take the place of a man just because it has existed for more years.

Similarly, if you havent learnt basic human rights of liberty, freedom despite 5000 years of civilization, our 300 years is more valuable than even 10,000 years of Chinese civilization.

Originally posted by chinawhite

The picture you posted is of a CHINESE MAN.

Your trying to claim it is Tibetan

Prove it.

Originally posted by chinawhite

Originally posted by IAF101
The 100+ people killed by Chinese police and thugs are TIBETANS, NOT Chinese.

I said the 10 the governemtn reported


Most of them being Chinese NOT tibetans.
........


Unconfirmed reports????.
The Tibetans can make phones calls and use the internet but they DONT have any pictures even with the mass proliferation of digital cameras and camera phones. NO FOREIGN HOSPITAL has even reported gun shot wounds


More propaganda from this peaceful protest

10 people dead doesnt justify killing 100 tibetans. Also the Chinese police used violence on the Tibetans first and thus the riots.

Obviously CCCTv will only show chinese propaganda. If they are so sure, why dont they let international journalists into Tibet to tell the truth ???

Also prove that there is "mass proliferation" of digital cameras and camera phones in Tibet. How many foreign hospitals are there in Tibet ??

There are many picture from the Tibetan riots all of them show heavy handed Chinese police committing crimes against humanity.

Originally posted by IAF101
START treaties were used as the building blocks for peace between the US and the USSR.

Start treaties were started in 1982 and ONLY ratified in 1991 AFTER the fall of the Soviet Union.

Rofl, Illiterate thief and vermin cant even keep his story straight

All of which they broke. Indian war, they signed the treaty with Nehru in India, they broke it and attacked India.

What treaty?. It was signed AFTER The war.

ROFL

Pathetic

The Vietnamese signed a pact with the Chinese, the Chinese broke it and attacked the Vietnamese and lost.

What pact?.

ROFL. Another blatant lie

In which century

Are you lost stranger?

IRAQ is ruled by the Iraq government. South Vietnam during the Vietnam war was again ruled by the Vietnamese government

Oh please. Can the Iraqi government tell the Americans to go. They have no sovereignty in their own country and if you say otherwise you are a fool

Similarly, if you havent learnt basic human rights of liberty, freedom despite 5000 years of civilization, our 300 years is more valuable than even 10,000 years of Chinese civilization.

Thats comforting for the prisoners of Guantanamo Bay and Abu Ghraib.

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It takes a lot of guts to come here and preach about the exploits of America while ignoring the truely awfull actions of china. Let's discuss slavery a bit further after you read the following link.

www.wsws.org...

Originally posted by IAF101


Prove it.

ROFL, You made lied and tried to pass it as the truth. Truly pathetic. But what can you expect from a son of a thief

The pictures caption

A man lies injured in the street during street protests, Friday, March 14, 2008, in Lhasa,Tibet. Protests led by Buddhist monks against Chinese rule in Tibet turned violent Friday, with shops and vehicles torched and gunshots echoing through the streets of the ancient capital, Lhasa.


I guess you never actually seen a Tibetan before. They have a darker complexion,

Originally posted by IAF101
10 people dead doesnt justify killing 100 tibetans.

UNCONFIRMED REPORTS YOU FOOL.

They haven't provided ANY evidence

The articles even say unconfirmed and you still use that number.


There are tibetans running around with Molotov cocktails, machetes or even guns according to some reports. Police HAVE EVERY right to protect themselves. Even though they have that right, there hasn't been any proof which suggest that they have actually fired and killed 100

Tibetans claimed in 1959 that the chinese killed 1.2million tibetans. The 1953 census has only 1.23 million tibetans. If we did kill that much it means that we depopulated tibet. But the population is 5 million



If this American forces, we would be killed 10 year old girls in the street

If they are so sure, why dont they let international journalists into Tibet to tell the truth ???

Oh, let me see. There are Tibetans running around with guns and we cannot guarantee their safety

Also prove that there is "mass proliferation" of digital cameras and camera phones in Tibet. How many foreign hospitals are there in Tibet ??

Oh my god. Try going to China

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