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posted on Mar, 19 2008 @ 03:43 PM
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Tourists speak of shock and fear at Tibet riots

Western tourists emerging from Tibet yesterday described their shock and fear as they watched a “howling” mob of Tibetans stoning and beating Chinese passers-by in two days of rioting in Lhasa last week.

They said that the crowd turned on anyone and anything that looked Chinese, knocking over motorcyclists, hitting them with metal rods and setting fire to their motorcycles.

Their testimony illustrated the ferocity of the riots, which have undermined not only China's claims to have brought peace and prosperity to Tibet but also the Dalai Lama's longstanding creed of non-violent resistance.

“It's hard to pick a side in what happened,” said John Kenwood, a 19-year-old backpacker from Canada who flew into Kathmandu, the Nepalese capital, yesterday after spending ten days in Lhasa.
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“I agree that the Tibetans have their own culture, but I can't agree with what people did. After a while, it was not about Tibetan freedom any more.”

As he left Lhasa yesterday most schools, shops and other businesses had reopened and Tibetans and Chinese were moving around the city, he said. He added that there were very few young Tibetans on the streets after the midnight deadline on Monday for rioters to surrender.

“The Tibetans weren't smiling any more,” he said. “There were soldiers everywhere. I saw some older Tibetan ladies but there were fewer young guys wandering around.”

Claude Balsiger, a 25-year-old backpacker from Switzerland who arrived in Lhasa on March 8 and flew to Kathmandu yesterday gave a similar account of the violence. He described seeing the mob beating an old Chinese man on a bicycle. “They were howling like wolves,” he said. “That's the point when it went insane. They started attacking anything and anyone that looked Chinese.”

He also described seeing a Canadian tourist step in to rescue a young Chinese man being attacked by the crowd. “They were kicking him in the ribs and he was bleeding from the face,” he said. “But then a white man walked up ... helped him up from the ground. There was a crowd of Tibetans holding stones. He held the Chinese man close, waved his hand at the crowd and they let him lead the man to safety.”

www.timesonline.co.uk...




Well, this tourist accounts prove there isn't any "crack down" or bloodbath. Also the last paragraph highlights the fake presence Tibetans have to westerners.




posted on Mar, 19 2008 @ 03:57 PM
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People who have been oppressed and had their basic rights violated for years on end are likely to have all those years worth of anger over the situation come boiling over and express itself in rage.

Once the release is begun during the protests or milder rioting in my opinion is it easy enough to create a tidal wave of escalating violence and anger.

They are fighting for their freedom and their home and as such it is bound to be a vicious fight.



posted on Mar, 19 2008 @ 03:57 PM
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ignore this it was a dreaded double post

[edit on 19-3-2008 by gluetrap]



posted on Mar, 19 2008 @ 03:59 PM
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I don't want to be too cynical, but as it seems,"pro-chinese" western eyewitness accounts are highly believable and proof, but "chinese critical" western eyewitness accounts are all lies and propaganda by a corrupt western media.

Well.....



posted on Mar, 19 2008 @ 03:59 PM
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Wow, didn't know white men held such power there. I'll have to take a trip to Tibet and make sure everyone knows to "respect my authoritah!"

So, instead of Chinese soldiers, why not just send a bunch of us white guys in to pacify the crowds? We'd be glad to do it if it meant saving lives, Chinese and Tibetan alike. See what Hu Jintao thinks and get back with me...



posted on Mar, 19 2008 @ 06:04 PM
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I found a video on youtube that alleges one of the riot scenes in Tibet was staged by the Chinese and released to CNN.

video.google.com...





posted on Mar, 19 2008 @ 09:53 PM
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Here an article and video showing a howling crowd of out-of-control Rioters. I feel sad for the innocent victims of these violent riots.....

edition.cnn.com...


(CNN) -- Australian tourist Michael Smith says he was eating lunch in a restaurant in Tibet's capital, Lhasa, on Friday when he heard an explosion and saw smoke.

As armored vehicles and trucks carrying Chinese soldiers rushed past, Smith started videotaping.

"We're standing here in the middle of Lhasa and the place has just [expletive] exploded," Smith narrated during the rioting.

Smith, who was traveling in Tibet when anti-Chinese rioting broke out Friday, returned home this week with dramatic video of the violence in the Tibetan capital, Lhasa, which aired on Australian TV on Wednesday.



posted on Mar, 19 2008 @ 10:03 PM
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Ironically I don't see China bashers starting to post FOREIGN EYE-WITNESSES of VIOLENT RIOTERS accounts and links (from the mainstream Western Media) in this thread.

www.guardian.co.uk...


'Oh my God, someone has a gun ...'

* The Guardian,
* Saturday March 15 2008
* Article history

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This article appeared in the Guardian on Saturday March 15 2008 on p1 of the Top stories section. It was last updated at 01:15 on March 15 2008.

This is an eyewitness account of a foreign resident in Lhasa who took refuge in a hotel close to the centre of the Tibetan capital yesterday. The city was gripped by violence after protesters and police clashed

"Oh my God. Oh no. That's crazy. One hundred people are trying to stone one man. A man was trying to cross the street with his motorcycle - they were trying to stone him but it's so crowded I can't see whether they got him or not.

"We came out for a walk about at about five today. I knew something was happening because there were a lot of people on the street. We were on Sera Street, which goes to the [Klukang] monastery. It sounds like the noise came from there; it sounds like at first they had been fighting in the temple.

"We saw people running and people in this hotel told us to get in quickly as the crowd was coming. They seem OK here, maybe the owner is Tibetan. All the other hotels have smashed windows.

"The residents are very angry. They are throwing stones at anyone who is Han [Chinese] or from other minorities like the Hui, who are Muslims. It seems like it's ethnic - like they want to kill anyone not Tibetan.

"I would say it's a riot here but I think in the centre it's worse. There's a lot of smoke - we can see it where there have been burnings. I heard people saying the authorities were firing, using guns. We don't know.



posted on Mar, 19 2008 @ 10:07 PM
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Here an article and video showing a howling crowd of out-of-control Rioters. I feel sad for the innocent victims of these violent riots.....



and in civilised countries, we break up riots with tear gas, high pressure water cannon and battons.... Not bullets.

You also omit to mention that the Tibetans were rioting in their own country against foreign invaders.

I think they have some entitlement to be angry.

Perhaps you omit to mention a generation of Tibetan people who suffered torture, arrest incarceration and in many cases simply disappeared after there arrests and have never been seen again.

One day when the Chinese are gone we will dig up the killing fields of Tibet like we did in Iraq and Nazi Germany.





[edit on 19-3-2008 by sy.gunson]



posted on Mar, 19 2008 @ 10:17 PM
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I'm pretty sure that if another country illegaly anexed my homeland, stole my property, murdered my spiritual leaders, raped and tortured my family, and used me as slave labor I would be tempted to do more than burn cars and throw rocks.





posted on Mar, 19 2008 @ 10:21 PM
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Originally posted by Phil J. Fry
but "chinese critical" western eyewitness accounts are all lies and propaganda by a corrupt western media.


And which eyewitness account has been critical of Chinas conduct?.

The things I am critical over are the articles produced for the "mass" media which quote Tibetan sources. I have never been critical of eye-witness accounts only if they were genuine. eg,

western tourist makes remarks about what they saw - Genuine
Activist makes remark about what he saw - Not quite genuine



posted on Mar, 19 2008 @ 10:27 PM
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Originally posted by IchiNiSan
Here an article and video showing a howling crowd of out-of-control Rioters. I feel sad for the innocent victims of these violent riots.....

edition.cnn.com...


(CNN) --

Smith, who was traveling in Tibet when anti-Chinese rioting broke out Friday, returned home this week with dramatic video of the violence in the Tibetan capital, Lhasa, which aired on Australian TV on Wednesday.


Er, yes. Um, about the bolding, er, did you happen to think we didn't know the rioting was anti-Chinese? Were we not clear that we knew the riots were by the Tibetans against the Chinese? Were we also not clear that we side with the Tibetans?

Tell us, when the Palestinians protest (and often then riot) against Israel, do you support the Palestinians or the Israelis?
When the Lebanese protested against the occupying Syrians, did you support the Lebanese or the Syrians?
When the State Council for Peace and Development shot monks, students and one Japanese reporter and defrocked, shackled and imprisoned monks and students, did you support the monks or the State Council for Peace and Develpment?

Understand this: You cannot justify the Chinese military and police response to the Tibetan protests and riots because you cannot justify the Chinese presence in Tibet.

We are happy that the Tibetans are protesting against you and your government and your presence in their country.

Just as we were happy to supply the Maquis with Sten guns to kill Germans with.



posted on Mar, 19 2008 @ 11:23 PM
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Originally posted by HowlrunnerIV
because you cannot justify the Chinese presence in Tibet.


Can we justify any countries presence on their land?. It wasn't as if the world was created with set boundaries



posted on Mar, 19 2008 @ 11:41 PM
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The link doesn't seem to be working. Although I honestly would not be surprised in the least to find the Chinese government meddling with starting a riot. It's happened before. The WTO riots in Seattle were enhanced do to a black block that was suspected of receiving money in return that they cause havoc; this is only one example that comes to me. That is the United States; what would China do?



posted on Mar, 19 2008 @ 11:51 PM
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Video Clip.

3 Tibetans and 2 Han Chinese killed in a clothing store fire set by the protesters




posted on Mar, 19 2008 @ 11:55 PM
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No independent reports???????




posted on Mar, 20 2008 @ 12:04 AM
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simply horrible on all accounts, this is something that should not have to happen in this day and age. honestly people do not need to be controled with an iron fist, they do not need to be censored, exiled and threatened in order to behave.

If a large majority of a geographical group of people wishes to be a sovereign nation then is it better to beat them into submission and subvert the homes and way of life or is it better to enter into diplomatic talks and find a peaceful resolution.

Idealistic yes, but really in all honesty what gives one government the right to rule over another entire country of people who dont wish to be included in that rule.



posted on Mar, 20 2008 @ 01:10 AM
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It's relatively easy to justify a Han Chinese presence in Beijing, a Celtic presence in Ireland or Wales or Scotland or Brittany, a German presence in Germany, an Egyptian presence in Egypt...

It's a little harder to justify an Anglo presence in Canada, the US, Australia or New Zealand and some of the things we did to the indigenous peoples of those places were utterly reprehensible and could come under the heading of "Genocidal Acts". But, the indigenous inhabitants of those places have citizenship in those places with all the benefits that said citizenship brings. Those places are all democracies. Those places have free presses.

One of those places in particular, the one from which I hail and in which you live, has recently had, as the culmination of three decades of race relations which included land rights and High Court judgements, a national, formal apology for all of the acts which could come under the heading of "Genocidal Acts".

The Dalai Lama used the words "cultural genocide". Beijing immediately described him as a terrorist. "Cultural Genocide" is exactly what the "stolen generations" policy was and instead of further insulting the Aborigines who suffered under it the nation chose to apologise for doing it. Because we had thought we were in fact helping the Aborigines. We were not. We recognise that fact. We apologised for our actions. We will always be guilty of those actions, as Germany will always be guilty of the Holocaust.

We did those things last century. We are attempting to make amends.

That does not, in any way, excuse China's actions in Tibet.

It makes them even more reprehensible.

That you attempt to use the history of another nation (or nations) to justify a current situation makes you (or any others doing so) guilty by association.

Any attempts to excuse Chinese actions in Tibet by comparing them to past policies or actions in Australia/New Zealand/Canada/the US is EXACTLY the same as if you said "What's the problem, Hitler did it."

Our past wrongs in no way give you the right to repeat them.



posted on Mar, 20 2008 @ 02:20 AM
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those places have citizenship in those places with all the benefits that said citizenship brings


Which explains there lack of education, abuse of alcohol, poor health and standard of living?


Originally posted by HowlrunnerIV
The Dalai Lama used the words "cultural genocide".


Define what your meaning of "cultural genocide" means


The Tibetans enjoy more cultural freedom than the aboriginals have in Australia. What exactly are you saying what the Tibetans can't do?.What culture they had died with the abuse of alcohol and educational policy. The Native Americans have practically lost all their cultural values and live on casinos and their ritual dances are more to do with drawing in money than actually living traditionally. Spend a few hours dancing then retreat back to the BMW

You spent years and years destroying traditional aboriginal society and then show us "PR" aboriginal dances. The government plans to forcefully take children into "foster" care for their protection there latest acts reminiscent of the stolen generation. One could argue that development is the one which destroyed culture



as the culmination of three decades of race relations which included land rights and High Court judgements, a national, formal apology for all of the acts which could come under the heading of "Genocidal Acts"


And?.

Does that somehow excuse what we did. Does it bring back their traditions?.



posted on Mar, 20 2008 @ 02:24 AM
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Do you actually know that what they claim as Tibet and which the majority of Tibetan live is not in the TAR but in regions with majority Han Chinese owning to the fact that there have been many wars between each country which changed hands over the centuries. Maybe thats what his referring to since Lhasa holds many religious icons which are profitable for Tourism and which is marketed by the Chinese government





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