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Originally posted by IchiNiSan
Fine, and you should have elaborated that in your original post immediately. And I will not get into the greatness of multi-parties & coalition-ruling systems, which could bring dictators like Hitler or Saddam in power.
China is officially a multi-party DEVELOPING country,
but even the most closed-minded Chinese knows that in reality only one party is in power. But this does not mean the whole populace is member of the Communist party.
can still decide by themselves if they want to join this party or not.
However, what one can not see is that the CCP is NOT a one-person one-man show, like the NSDAP or Communistic parties of Lenin and Stalin.
It has a wide range of members of all over China, representing most parts and levels of the people.
Most important is the CCP and Chinese government
(discounted all the corrupted officials)
has the best interests of the Chinese people in mind.
For the past 30 years, China started to develop from the edge of total bankrupcy and no point of return.
Since the succesful reforms of Deng Xiaoping in the party,
the government and most obvious and known to outsiders the economy,
which is key to bring the common man properity and hope, people and the society have started to prosper again.
You know how short of a period 30 years is?
How short it is it to overcome 200-300 years loss in developments?
Unlike Germany (NSDAP) in WW2, China did not participate in the industrial revolution,
and felt behind to become a secondary state at the end of the bankrupted Qing.
Only untill 30 years ago China started to prosper, and yet there are still big population (over 80%) who can be noted as poor, these are Han Chinese or other minorities.
In this 1.3 billions populated country nothing is as simple as one see it. The Chinese culture and history go back more than 5000 years,
and everything is more more complex and complicated one would think.
Everything has her history, even Tibet.
My critics to most China-bashers here and everywhere else is that most of these people only mindlessly read something in their media, which are very often telling lies and not doing their own due diligence and researches, before jumping in the band-wagon.
You can not simply set a autonomous part of China free without facing probably even bigger problems.
These problems would maybe not only be limited in Tibet, every single decision the central and local Chinese government makes need to take the whole nation's long-term benefits in mind.
The country and her population is too big,
it is too dangerous to let disorder continues and instability rise.
The potential human disaster with a country-wide instability is beyond anyone's recognition or imagination.
Or actually you can learn from history,
look at a religious uprising of the so-called Heaven Kingdoms fighters, who the sick minded actually believed he was the second son of God. Human losts in that civil war? TENS OF MILLIONS, biggest loss of people in a civil war!
Tibet is a part of China, autonomy can be given, but no seperation is allowed, neither are violent riots.
Originally posted by Witness2008
All of the answers to your questions are located in the links between the two pages. I am not going to continue to educate someone who refuses to learn.
it was an agreement between two independent and sovereign states
Originally posted by iammonkeyChina: Crisis 'Life Or Death Struggle
'Photos. wow! How brave and honourable do the police look? They love the old bamboo don’t they.
Originally posted by chinawhite
Originally posted by Mdv2
This thread is about China and Tibet, not about the US or any other country
When discussing Human rights you need a comparison to show how well you are going. Humans is not a real thing as in heat or sound, it can only be compared to something and that something is "the worlds most liberal society" the US.
-China occupies Tibet.
Because its part of China. Even the Dalai Lama doesn't argue against Chinas claim to Tibet or even the fact that Tibet is part of Chinas territory. Occpuy as in having a police presence which every country has
-China does not allow the democratic principle of having the right to demonstrate
democratic principle is how you look at things. Is it fair to shout out abuse at someone because you have free speech?. China is a much more conservative society than the west, even Japan and Korea are that conservative. Any disruption to the peace is not accepted. Koreans farmers and Japanese farmers aren't allowed to protest
Demonstrate leads to riot as demonstrated in this case. The Anti-Japanese protest in China was also peaceful at the beginning but turned into a riot and diplomatic row later on.
-China does not allow any criticism
And?
r who are under 24h surveillance for writing articles against the interest of the Chinese government
And America or any other government doesn't do the same?
Your post is misleading
Originally posted by chinawhite
Originally posted by iammonkeyChina: Crisis 'Life Or Death Struggle
'Photos. wow! How brave and honourable do the police look? They love the old bamboo don’t they.
Originally posted by Mdv2
Apart from that you failed to answer the following questions
Nevertheless, this thread is about China and I can assure you that China will not even come close to the most liberal country in the world with the regime it has.
Taiwan doesn't want the PRC nor does Tibet,
Last Sunday people were demonstrating against the Chinese government, a couple of thousands.
Then don't wonder you have riots if no criticism is allowed.
Give me an example of a journalist who is not allowed to write what he wants and is under 24h surveillance of US security troops.
knowingly or willfully advocate, abet, advise or teach the duty, necessity, desirability or propriety of overthrowing the Government of the United States or of any State by force or violence, or for anyone to organize any association which teaches, advises or encourages such an overthrow, or for anyone to become a member of or to affiliate with any such association
Originally posted by iammonkey
what part do you find misleading?
what part?
reply to post by 27jd
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This whole thread is bursting at the seams with chinese propaganda, this link may explain what is going on here between ATS and our chinese friends.
en.wikipedia.org...
[edit on 18-3-2008 by Witness2008]
Originally posted by 27jd
reply to post by Witness2008
Exactly what I was thinking. Thanks for the link though, it certainly would seem consistent with what we see here, also I notice chinawhite's sig is riddled with what appears to be Chinese government ads, another thing you don't really see much from other countries, none of us are that proud, lol.
Sorry Jingjing, it won't work here, you're not very effective at psychological warfare, and attempting it on a site where we are all suspected of being government agents at some point, makes it even more difficult when it's almost glaringly obvious you are one. You'd be better off trying what the Japanese did on the Chinpokomon episode of South Park and compliment the size of our genitals over and over until we are so flattered that we ignore the attrocities of your government.
[edit on 18-3-2008 by 27jd]
Originally posted by zhangxi0183
now i get it. this is how you american debate with your counterworker, by avioding and twisting the truth, and demonizing us as secret agent.
it's just amaze me. may i ask you two what you are??? perhaps secret CIA agent?? consider CIA's policy, it won't be a big surprise for me though.
you think you know better than we do??? we can read your newspaper, listen your side of story, although it's totallly twisted propaganda. and what you got??? what you got excepting the twisted propaganda your media plays on and on???? can you see the other side of the story without twisted by your "free" media??? sometimes i just feel sorry for you guys.
Originally posted by chinawhite
Is it my job to answer your questions?