Okay, I'll say up front, this is off-topic.
Originally posted by IchiNiSan
Fine, and you should have elaborated that in your original post immediately. And I will not get into the greatness of multi-parties & coalition-ruling
systems, which could bring dictators like Hitler or Saddam in power.
A multi-party system didn't bring Saddam to power, a coup did. A multi-party system didn't bring Hitler to power. He was elected to the Reichstag,
he was never elected Chancellor. And you say you know German history.
China is officially a multi-party DEVELOPING country,
? According to which officials? Who cares whether it's developing or not. That doesn't give the government the right to invade
foreign nations, annexe territory, drive tanks over its own citizens or bill parents for their children's executions.
but even the most closed-minded Chinese knows that in reality only one party is in power. But this does not mean the whole populace is member
of the Communist party.
Ah, truth at last.
can still decide by themselves if they want to join this party or not.
But they can't decide for themselves and the nation whether that party should be in charge.
However, what one can not see is that the CCP is NOT a one-person one-man show, like the NSDAP or Communistic parties of Lenin and
Know who Beria was? How about Himmler? Hardly one-man shows you're quoting there.
It has a wide range of members of all over China, representing most parts and levels of the people.
Representing who? The people? So why were there more anti-government demonstrations last year than at any time before?
Most important is the CCP and Chinese government
Interesting separation you mention there.
(discounted all the corrupted officials)
How many does that leave to run the country, then?
has the best interests of the Chinese people in mind.
Yes, we know. But this thread is about the Tibetan
people. And your point is so laughably debatable it's not actually funny.
For the past 30 years, China started to develop from the edge of total bankrupcy and no point of return.
Ahh, quick, laud the achievements of the party. But wait, who was the government three decades ago? Why, I do believe it was the CCP. So, we should
celebrate the CCP lifting China from bankruptcy, but ignore that it was the CCP that put it there in the first place?
Since the succesful reforms of Deng Xiaoping in the party,
Reforms of what? If reform was so needed, if the party was so wrong, why do you revere the founder?
the government and most obvious and known to outsiders the economy,
Yes, in a clear betrayal of everything Chairman Mao theorised and created.
which is key to bring the common man properity and hope, people and the society have started to prosper again.
Unless you're a rice farmer whose paddies are now the site of a Grand Prix track. Or you work on one of those famously safe building sites. The
nation my be prospering, the people and the society appear to be doing no such thing.
You know how short of a period 30 years is?
About the length of my life, so far. About how long Vietnam fought for its "independence". About how long The Thirty Years War lasted.
How short it is it to overcome 200-300 years loss in developments?
Loss? You can't lose what you don't have.
Unlike Germany (NSDAP) in WW2, China did not participate in the industrial revolution,
Whose fault is that? You chose to build a wall, scrap your fleet, end trade and turn inward. No-one did it to you but yourselves. All those "Chinese
Firsts" Discovery are telling us about at the moment, anyone would think you invented the modern world, instead of being left behind by it.
and felt behind to become a secondary state at the end of the bankrupted Qing.
Secondary? That's generous.
Only untill 30 years ago China started to prosper, and yet there are still big population (over 80%) who can be noted as poor, these are Han
Chinese or other minorities.
If the Han Chinese are a minority, who are the majority?
In this 1.3 billions populated country nothing is as simple as one see it. The Chinese culture and history go back more than 5000
So does Egypt's, Iraq's, Iran's, Syria's...so what. That 5,000 years doesn't include East Turkestan or Tibet.
and everything is more more complex and complicated one would think.
What an insight.
Everything has her history, even Tibet.
Yes, Tibetan histroy, not Chinese. Where were you when Guge ruled?
My critics to most China-bashers here and everywhere else is that most of these people only mindlessly read something in their media, which are
very often telling lies and not doing their own due diligence and researches, before jumping in the band-wagon.
Er, as opposed to mindlessly listening to what the Party says, which we all know is the paragon of truth, and riding the new express to the roof of
You can not simply set a autonomous part of China free without facing probably even bigger problems.
But they're not YOUR
problems, they'll be Tibet's
problems. Vietnam simply set Cambodia free.
These problems would maybe not only be limited in Tibet, every single decision the central and local Chinese government makes need to take the
whole nation's long-term benefits in mind.
Utter, irredeemable and obvious crap. If that was so then why do you have to shut off municipal water supplies because of poisoned rivers?
The country and her population is too big,
So you borrowed an old policy from another one-party state
it is too dangerous to let disorder continues and instability rise.
Only to the government.
The potential human disaster with a country-wide instability is beyond anyone's recognition or imagination.
Really? All I have to do for inspiration is look at early 20th Century China to see what mass instability does.
Or actually you can learn from history,
I hope so. And given my previous line, I can see that the CCP have learnt from history. They know what led to their rise, they don't want to see it
repeated when they are the government.
look at a religious uprising of the so-called Heaven Kingdoms fighters, who the sick minded actually believed he was the second son of God.
Human losts in that civil war? TENS OF MILLIONS, biggest loss of people in a civil war!
Okay, you lost me on that one.
Tibet is a part of China, autonomy can be given, but no seperation is allowed, neither are violent riots.
Unless you're violently rioting in support of the central government. "Hey, Japan are lying about Nanking, we weren't the government then, but go
burn down a factory, school or consulate, show them that us Chinese will never forget what they did to us. National sovereignty, blah, blah, blah.
Those dirty Japanese invaded China. Occupied Manchuria. Raped Nanking. Tibet is an integral, inseparable part of China. It always was, it always will
be and you can't invade something that you already own. Even if you have no government representation there."
[edit on 18-3-2008 by HowlrunnerIV]