Originally posted by Phil J. Fry
reply to [url=http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread341740/pg18#pid4130095]post
While this has not been done, i wouldn't actually call it racistic to do so. But that's a matter of definition and pretty pointless. Same with your
posts - while not being specifically racistic, a sensible mind could see a little chinese superiority mentality in them or at least between the
Pulling out the racism card hasn't helped anyone in any debate - and while this thread had some warnings for "both sides", i would prefer the
debate to go on and stay within the T&C of ATS.
If I re-read your original post, I saw and still see a belittling and wrong accusions of the whole of the Chinese population to be fascists and Nazis,
which the NSDAP accusation is right after he generalized Chinese people to be closed-minded.mindless followers.
Using the NSDAP reference here is totally miss-placed and you obviously know what NSDAP is synonym and what it really means for, was using it to
deliberately provoke the Chinese members over here. And fuel the hatred towards the Chinese ethnicity by comparing a nation with the worst
criminals&racists of the human history.
Indeed a sensible mind could see some of the more biased views among SOME of the Chinese members in this board. And that's why I highly doubt you
have read all the thread or the other related thread before posting in this one. Or try to read between the lines of even some of these posters being
brough forth to proof that the story is much more complicated and complex than simply "just set Tibet free, because there is an exiled government
outside, which btw is only aiming at greater autonomy!". After all, if you did, you would not throw all the Chinese members of ATS in that fascistic
corner. This is the reason why I would sense racism immediately after your insulting post. Without your FULL explanation, which is debatable for its
correctness or even debatable if it is not only to cover one's racistic view, one more knowledgable in the European can only believe you are a
I try to explain it once again for you - i wasn't referring to the people per se, but to the mindsets of people living and supporting a single
party state, if you like it better, i'll compare it to stalinist sowjetunion - another ideology, same crimes, same bastards at the top. Now, would
that also be racist ?
Fine, and you should have elaborated that in your original post immediately. And I will not get into the greatness of multi-parties & coalition-ruling
systems, which could bring dictators like Hitler or Saddam in power. China is officially a multi-party DEVELOPING country, but even the most
closed-minded Chinese knows that in reality only one party is in power. But this does not mean the whole populace is member of the Communist party.
People can still decide by themselves if they want to join this party or not. And only untill recently private entrepreneurs are allowed to join the
party. However, what one can not see is that the CCP is NOT a one-person one-man show, like the NSDAP or Communistic parties of Lenin and Stalin. It
has a wide range of members of all over China, representing most parts and levels of the people. Most important is the CCP and Chinese government
(discounted all the corrupted officials) has the best interests of the Chinese people in mind.
For the past 30 years, China started to develop from the edge of total bankrupcy and no point of return. Since the succesful reforms of Deng Xiaoping
in the party, the government and most obvious and known to outsiders the economy, which is key to bring the common man properity and hope, people and
the society have started to prosper again. You know how short of a period 30 years is? How short it is it to overcome 200-300 years loss in
developments? Unlike Germany (NSDAP) in WW2, China did not participate in the industrial revolution, and felt behind to become a secondary state at
the end of the bankrupted Qing. Only untill 30 years ago China started to prosper, and yet there are still big population (over 80%) who can be noted
as poor, these are Han Chinese or other minorities.
In this 1.3 billions populated country nothing is as simple as one see it. The Chinese culture and history go back more than 5000 years, and
everything is more more complex and complicated one would think. Everything has her history, even Tibet. My critics to most China-bashers here and
everywhere else is that most of these people only mindlessly read something in their media, which are very often telling lies and not doing their own
due diligence and researches, before jumping in the band-wagon. You can not simply set a autonomous part of China free without facing probably even
bigger problems. These problems would maybe not only be limited in Tibet, every single decision the central and local Chinese government makes need to
take the whole nation's long-term benefits in mind. The country and her population is too big, it is too dangerous to let disorder continues and
instability rise. The potential human disaster with a country-wide instability is beyond anyone's recognition or imagination. Or actually you can
learn from history, look at a religious uprising of the so-called Heaven Kingdoms fighters, who the sick minded actually believed he was the second
son of God. Human losts in that civil war? TENS OF MILLIONS, biggest loss of people in a civil war!
This "one-party-system" (with representatives of all corners of China) can for my part last forever to continue developing all the territories of
China and the whole society with the same DECISIVE and STRONG hands they showed. And you outsiders start to learn the other sides of the stories
before jumping in the bandwagons. However, you do not need to worry for an agressive China towards the rest of the world like some hegemony showed in
the Modern world. China is NOT interested in invading any country, so stop the propaganda. If it is the worries about so-called cheap low quality
products (which are propaganda too) from China, do NOT buy it then and ask your own importers to buy from somewhere else then. But I can almost
guarantee that your importers will buy the goods from Vietnam or whereever they can get the products cheaper than home-made.
Tibet is a part of China, autonomy can be given, but no seperation is allowed, neither are violent riots.