Massacre in Tibet!

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posted on Mar, 16 2008 @ 06:25 AM
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The Dalai Lama just wants culture independence and more autonomy for Tibet. Which China has rejected.



China rules out Tibet autonomy



China issued a policy paper on Tibet Sunday, dismissing the Dalai Lama's call for greater Tibetan autonomy as untenable.

In the last two years, the Tibetan government-in-exile has sent two delegations to Beijing, hoping to convince Chinese authorities to give Tibet greater autonomy.


China rules out autonomy for Tibet

People's Republic of China, a socialist nation, should be against any form of imperialism not implementing a divide and rule policy in Tibet.

If China wants to be treated as a respected partner on the international stage, she should start acting like one. After the Tiananmen Square Massacre, in which about 2,000 - 3,000 civilians were killed, you thought China would learn to stop killing democracy supports.

Tibet WILL be free





posted on Mar, 16 2008 @ 06:49 AM
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Originally posted by IAF101

Originally posted by IchiNiSan

Originally posted by antar
It is absurd that the Chinese Government accuses the Dali Lama of master minding this event!


hahahha, something as absurb as "accusing" a caveman in the Middle-East master minding the 911 event? or accusing a sovereign country of hiding WMD to justify an invasion to drown up their oil?


Ignorance personified.

Bin Laden is no cavemen. He is probably more qualified than you are. He studied in an English school and even went to university. He is from one of the richest families in Saudi Arabia and is an accomplished fighter living in a lawless region.

Juxtapose that with the Dalai Lama; Nobel peace prize winner. Monk, spiritual head. No declared assets. No physical power over law where he lives. Exiled and benign. His only tools being his voice and his ideas.

Yes, both Bin laden and Dalai Lama are the same thing!! NOT



It's good you mentioned 'probably', and did not specify in what he is 'more qualified'. So I will not throw out my MSc degree from a top European university to you or... ah whatever, this is what i rather call ignorance to even start trying to hit the person



posted on Mar, 16 2008 @ 06:54 AM
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reply to post by Witness2008
 


In the USA: sky high inflation to get goods from higher-costs countries, empty shelves at your superstores, bankruptcies of thousands of importers/distributors/forwarders, increase of unemployment, etc etc, and did i mention that there would be nobody else willing to finance your huge debts?



posted on Mar, 16 2008 @ 07:02 AM
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Originally posted by IAF101

John Locke was not even French nor was he ever American!


Never said he was. I said they were influenced by him.

Another Lie

Quote me to prove otherwise, or let the record show you made another lie


In America the revolution was never about Voltaire, Locke or Rousseau. It was Thomas Paine, Jefferson and Franklin


LOL,

Yeah right. Where did they get their ideas from. Your denying the holocaust



When you do look up BANDIT.


I look up American revolution and I see cowards and bandits



I knew you would ask the mundane thats why I linked to that whole article.


Not proof, only stall speeds



80 Tibetans already confirmed dead.


You are confirmed stupid. But how does that make it real.

Pictures or video is confirmation



Sorry I dont know about all the Chinese thugs


They look better than those fat american thugs getting killed in iraq


The Nepalese camo on the other hand was blue and grey, which is close to the urban camo used by NATO forces black and grey.


reality check, that is chinese desert camo

[edit on 16-3-2008 by chinawhite]



posted on Mar, 16 2008 @ 07:02 AM
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List of Lies IAF101 told Continued

- Claimed a picture of a injured Chinese man beaten by Tibetan was Tibetan

Tibetans claim themselves that many people were arrested. Why would they leave him behind


Psurbu Tsering of the Tibetan Association of New York and New Jersey said its members received phone calls from Tibet claiming 70 people had been killed and 1,000 arrested.

- Then claimed he was dead TWICE. Now he claims I said it. I challenge him to provide a quote
- Claimed Nepalese police were Chinese to make them look bad
- Claimed America helped establish the Third French Republic
- Claimed more than 100 people were killed, even through those reports were unconfirmed
- Later changed that claim to "hundreds"


Originally posted by IAF101
-The picture is indeed Tibetan and has been shown to be Tibetan protester in many articles.


No they haven't.

If he was a tibetan he would have been labeled one by the western media. He is CHINESE,why would his tibetan friends left him there. Makes perfect sense.

A found the article with the picture it clear state
""A man lies injured in the street during street protests led by Buddhist monks against Chinese rule in Tibet Friday."

The article clears it up and SAYs DURING THE PROTEST.

Unless your going to tell me that Tibetans beat up tibetans



-Claimed he was dead as the picture shows him to be and also after you said he was dead.


Where did I say that.

Lie #1


-American influence in establishing the French Third Republic is well known


ROFL,

The French established the American republich with their ideas. How could the Americans do likewise with the French when it was french ideas which started the American one.

France = Made America


Of the 100+ reported to be killed, 80 are "confirmed" dead already.


Pictures please.

You can only confirm things by being there or having pictures


The initial figure was give only for Lhasa but with protests in other cities also considered it is only natural to assume


Your whole argument. Assumption



Prove it. Where is your link ?


I always have proof unlike you. CONFIRMED CHINESE.

www.cbc.ca...



When I asked you for proof of him being Chinese, you said he was dead!


Quote ME.




I think you have trouble comprehending my native language.


Obviously if it isn't writen right, who can understand it



Also you have repeatedly claimed that they have Molotov Cocktails, without any pictures showing them to have that.


Look over this thread at the videos.

You never did ask



I saw the entire video it doesnt show a monk looting anywhere.


I bet you didn't even look at the link. I double checked it this time

vsearch.cctv.com...



After you posted the caption I read it and then said that my conclusion is wha the caption implies.


You first said "I hadnt read the caption" in the first quote

then

i said
"He never said he was Tibetan either yet you claimed it as such. "

Then you said
"Because that is what the caption implies. "





As for stealing motorbikes and trucks from passing drivers, there is no proof


Even CNN had the article up there. Taking


The only picture even taken by the Communist news service are what the Tibetans have done.


I said the TIBETANs not CCTV. Dont assume things



Second, hardly any foreign news people in Tibet.


Source?



Not at all. You never showed that that APC's were used by the Miami PD to quell protests.


The picture I posted DOES show it patrolling miami.

You sir are you fool.
www.benfrank.net...

You can take unfirned numbers but you cant take a picture showing you up

how wonderful



Which nobody can verify.


You mean those live streaming videos.

Oh not proof enough?



250,000-Vietnam and 55,000-Iraq. Which makes it only 305,000!


PROOF



posted on Mar, 16 2008 @ 07:06 AM
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If you can get ONE picture JUST ONE PICTURE of this killing than I will leave ATS for a 1 year self-imposed ban.


I know your full of it, thats why I'll make this bet with you. Are you willing to do the same you thief



posted on Mar, 16 2008 @ 07:31 AM
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Could Tibet be another Tiananmen?




During the 1989 Tiananmen revolt, Deng Xiaoping's order to "clear the Square before sunset" came after a prolonged stand-off with the students. High-level leaks showed that the Party elders hesitated before resorting to violence under the eyes of the world, in a way they would never have done under Mao Zedong.


Daily Telegraph



posted on Mar, 16 2008 @ 07:34 AM
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Massacre is Tibet? This isn't a massacre, its two people



posted on Mar, 16 2008 @ 07:49 AM
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Originally posted by Damien_Hell
Massacre is Tibet? This isn't a massacre, its two people


every massacre starts with one
or two deaths. you read the first post. Then jumped on to the last page. Skipping the bits inbetween.

[edit on 16/3/08 by iammonkey]



posted on Mar, 16 2008 @ 08:25 AM
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Surprisingly, the Dala Lama has not called for a boycott and believes the Olympics should still go ahead.

But he is right, the cultural genocide by China is trying to destroy any type of Tibet identity.



posted on Mar, 16 2008 @ 09:10 AM
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Originally posted by infinite
Surprisingly, the Dala Lama has not called for a boycott and believes the Olympics should still go ahead.

But he is right, the cultural genocide by China is trying to destroy any type of Tibet identity.


something like that there is no native Indian culture left in the American continents?

Question to be asked, what is supposed to be the 'Tibet identity'? The world is developing, China is developing along, and any parts of China are developing along.



posted on Mar, 16 2008 @ 09:29 AM
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reply to post by IchiNiSan
 


We americans can take care of ourselves. The last I looked the grocery store shelves were as full as ever. We americans know when we have made mistakes and we take the matter in hand and deal with it. Your Chinese economy however is built on the backs of a slave labor force. Children being blown up in school because they are forced by your chinese system to earn the seat they occupy in that school room.

I preach daily to everyone I meet that chinese products are a bad idea, worthless crap. Let us say I get my message across, where would the chinese economy be then?

What I see in this thread are a couple of chinese that have been so programed that they can not see what the rest of the world sees. The differnce between china and the U.S is we can admit to our mistakes and atrocities but the chinese slaughter, rape and destory and then make fools of themselvs in order to defend their ugly deeds.



posted on Mar, 16 2008 @ 09:43 AM
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We are not talking of native americans here. Native americans are not being slaughtered, native american women are not being raped and tortured, native american children are not being blown up in school and native american land is not being used as a dumping ground for radioactive waste. Stick with the subject at hand..Tibet. There are other threads for other crimes against humanity.



posted on Mar, 16 2008 @ 09:48 AM
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reply to post by Witness2008
 


Of course, they are 'only' almost being extincted and now living in 'protected reservations'
you know, like those cute almost extincted Panda's living in their protected bamboo forests.



posted on Mar, 16 2008 @ 09:53 AM
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You have not a clue on Native American culture nor the U.S. Back to the subject of the thread. You profess to be educated but this one simple point eludes you. Tibet.



posted on Mar, 16 2008 @ 10:18 AM
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After reading this thread and the pissing match that ensued; I think I will pass on the Olympics this year. Expecting impartial judges is naive.

FREE TIBET

[edit on 16-3-2008 by whaaa]



posted on Mar, 16 2008 @ 10:44 AM
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It would be nice if we didn't derail the thread and stuck the topic at hand instead.

There are a dozen threads about Native Americans, including debates about whether it was a genocide or not. Search for the thread on ATS.

This is about Tibet, nothing else.



posted on Mar, 16 2008 @ 11:07 AM
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Hello Infinite and welcome to the flame-fest. I have asked for mod. supervision due to the atmosphere.

Here are some more articles to discuss:


Eight dead bodies brought into Ngaba Kirti MonasteryMarch 16 - Eight dead bodies have been brought into Ngaba Kirti Monastery according to confirmed information received by the Tibetan Centre for Human Rights and Democracy. The bodies were brought in from the protest scene in Ngaba County, Sichuan Province. Sources say at least "30 Tibetans felled" after armed troops shot indiscriminately into the peacefully protesting Tibetans. Out of the eight bodies, one has been identified as Lobsang Tashi, a former monk in his mid 20s. The remaining bodies are unidentified at the moment. The monks in Kirti Monastery are currently offering prayers for the deceased.

Phayul.com


Fresh Protest broke out in Rebkong
According to reliable sources within Tibet, around 300 monks of Rong Gonchen Monastery conducted Sangsol Prayer (Incense burning ritual) on the hill just behind the monastery during the early hours of the day. It was known that the monks performed Long Life Prayer Ceremony for the Dalai Lama. Shortly after the end of the prayer ceremony, the monks started peace march towards the government headquarters of Rebkong County which is located in the downtown market area which was later joined by lay people of the County.

Phayul.com


At least seven shot dead in demonstration in Ngaba CountyAccording to the latest confirmed information received by the Tibetan Centre for Human Rights and Democracy (TCHRD), at least seven people were known to have been shot dead including monks of Ngaba Kirti Monastery by the People's Armed Police (PAP) during the peaceful demonstration by thousands of people in Ngaba County (Ch: Aba) this afternoon. Hundreds of people are also known to have been injured in the incident following PAP crackdown on the protestors. The demonstration is still going on when the Centre received the information from the venue of demonstration.

Phayul.com



posted on Mar, 16 2008 @ 11:33 AM
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The internet is full of world news and video.

video.google.com...

The comments on Youtube and various blogs lead me to believe that the world is watching closely and if the pressure continues Tibet could either see some relief from the chinese or the crack down will open a window with a view into chinese cruelty.



posted on Mar, 16 2008 @ 11:55 AM
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The video I linked here is intense, I could not watch the full account. It is a small example of what happens to Tibetans. I hope our chinese friends return so we can get an explanation into the violence that is inflicted and maybe they may understand better the reasons Tibetans want them out.

www.youtube.com...





 
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