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Topic started on 14-3-2008 @ 12:14 PM by Raud
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It has happened again...
BBC
 Deaths reported in Tibet protests
Clashes between protesters and security forces in Tibet's main city of Lhasa have left at least two people dead, according to reports.
An emergency official told AFP news agency that many people had been hurt and an unspecified number had died. Opponents of Chinese rule in Tibet set fire to vehicles and shops on Friday as tear gas filled the streets and gunfire rang out in the Tibetan
capital, Lhasa, according to witnesses and human rights groups.
The protests -- initiated by Buddhist monks -- have been growing since Monday, the anniversary of the failed 1959 Tibetan uprising against Beijing
rule. Tibet, an autonomous province, has long sought independence from China.
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reply posted on 14-3-2008 @ 12:30 PM by Raud
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Phayul.com
Chinese Police Kill 2 in Tibet Protests: Reports
Dharamsala March 14 - At least two people have reportedly been shot dead by Chinese police in the protests that erupted in Lhasa, Tibet's capital
city.
AFP reports "several deaths in the Tibetan capital quoting an official with the city's emergency centre.
"We are very busy with the injured people now -- there are many people injured here.
Definitely some people have died, but I don't know how many," AFP quoted a female official at the centre as saying.
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reply posted on 14-3-2008 @ 12:37 PM by antar
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Meditate and pray, there is a great need to send energy to Tibet now.
www.youtube.com...
I have attempted to send an E-mail to the Capital of US and ask that they intervene.
This must be the awakening of a million Bodi Sattvas.
There is another ongoing thread. Do not have time to look it up for you just now.
Namaste
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reply posted on 14-3-2008 @ 12:42 PM by masqua
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This might be exactly the wrong move at the wrong time with the Olympics happening there.
No doubt, the outcry from the west is going to grow as the demonstrations for a free Tibet begin to get headlines.
Could this be the first Olympics that no-one wants to go to? I'm getting this deja vu feeling about the Germam games just prior to WWII.
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reply posted on 14-3-2008 @ 12:52 PM by Raud
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Just as we stood up for the protesters in Myanmar, we must keep an extra watchful eye on this.
I say it like Hawkwind: Tibet is not China!
More useful links:
www.tibet.com...
www.world-newspapers.com...
www.ciolek.com...
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reply posted on 14-3-2008 @ 12:57 PM by Witness2008
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I think the timing of this uprising is perfect. If the media here were to report the truth the olympics would suffer a boycott. I refuse to buy
chinese products, something most of the world should consider. If the chinese economy depended on a withdrawl from Tibet, they would leave fast.
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reply posted on 14-3-2008 @ 01:09 PM by antar
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It is absurd that the Chinese Government accuses the Dali Lama of master minding this event!
For anyone interested here are some pictures I found of the riots. I have not looked at them yet so together we will see them.
news.yahoo.com...:/nm/20080314/ts_nm/china_tibet_dc;_ylt=ApOuY7xDSXJN5WVUBCuKs
khg.3QA
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reply posted on 14-3-2008 @ 01:18 PM by chromatico
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I don't support the Chinese government but two people dead does not equal a massacre. 
Please retitle your thread.
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reply posted on 14-3-2008 @ 01:55 PM by Witness2008
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Actually the occupation of Tibet by the Chinese since 1959 has been an exercise in genocide. I could care less of the thread title as long as it gets
people thinking and talking
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reply posted on 14-3-2008 @ 02:08 PM by masqua
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 Originally posted by Raud
Tibet is not China!
Agreed, but the history of their contentious relationship goes back more than a thousand years.
The Chinese first established relations with Tibet during the T'ang dynasty (618–906), and there were frequent wars of conquest.
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In 1906 and 1907, Britain recognized China's suzerainty over Tibet. However, the Tibetans were able, with the overthrow of the Ch'ing dynasty
in China, to expel (1912) the Chinese in Tibet and reassert their independence. At a conference (1913–14) of British, Tibetans, and Chinese at
Shimla, India, Tibet was tentatively confirmed under Chinese suzerainty and divided into an inner Tibet, to be incorporated into China, and an outer
autonomous Tibet. The Shimla agreement was, however, never ratified by the Chinese, who continued to claim all of Tibet as a “special
territory.” After the death (1933) of the 13th Dalai Lama, Tibet gradually drifted back into the Chinese orbit. The 14th Dalai Lama, who was born in
China, was installed in 1939–40 and assumed full powers (1950) after a ten-year regency.
www.infoplease.com...
The cry for a Free Tibet echoes through 11 centuries and the influence of European powers has been to quell much of it during the last 100 years.
The recent turmoil which is now just beginning has more to do, imo, with the Summer Olympics than not. That China has moved to crack down to suppress
this does surprise me a little, since the demonstrations worldwide are already happening. CNN just carried a story of a peaceful 'sit-in'
demonstration in India and these occurrences will grow in intensity worldwide.
If, as I believe, the Tibetans hoped to embarrass the Chinese by exposing their hardline attitude, then they are already succeeding.
On whether this is a massacre or not, I'd wait for the count to grow first. Tibet is not an easy place to get word out of and the death toll could
easily be multiplied 10 times over.
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reply posted on 14-3-2008 @ 02:12 PM by jmdewey60
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There was a story a few days ago about Bjork has been banned from going to China.
At the end of her concert in Shanghi, she said Tibet, Tibet, Tibet!
We should, at the very least, do our part to not tune into the tv coverage of the Olympics.
I think that the networks have some way to tell what you are watching, if you have cable, or sattelite. So, it does make a difference, what you do.
Looking around at other topics, on this forum, you can see that they (Chinese) are doing genecidal practices on every outlying provence they
control.
If you want to hear a really crazy thought, I think we should throw it in their face, and give Taiwan back to the Japanese.
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reply posted on 14-3-2008 @ 02:24 PM by masqua
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You could probably do more harm by supporting a Walmart boycott.
China is a 'have-not' country in that they have no oil to run their burgeoning economy. A serious disruption in the ME, like a US invasion of Iran,
would have serious effects and put Russia in a position of control over them re: oil.
To have the Chinese frustrated with yet another uprising in Tibet, backed by popular rock and movie stars is going to cause some unwanted ripples in
that country where control is everything.
I don't even want to think about Taiwan in this 
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reply posted on 14-3-2008 @ 02:35 PM by chromatico
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reply posted on 14-3-2008 @ 02:36 PM by Witness2008
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I agee with the Walmart boycott. But don't stop there, boycott everything with a "Product of China" sticker on it. Maos' great leap forward failed
because of the lack of mineral and forest resources. Tibets natural resources are feeding the communist machine, and we are digging new landfills to
hold the worthless crap this country seems to have to have.
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reply posted on 14-3-2008 @ 02:38 PM by Witness2008
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What in my post was deceptive?
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reply posted on 14-3-2008 @ 02:41 PM by chromatico
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Sorry, I meant to respond to OP.
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reply posted on 14-3-2008 @ 02:46 PM by Choronzon
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I agree, 2 protestors dieing is not a massacre. Although it is a travesty... 
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reply posted on 14-3-2008 @ 02:47 PM by Witness2008
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Like I said in an earlier post the thread title should not matter. I think the actions of the chinese against the Tibetans is a masacre that has been
going on for too long. I provide a link that may be of interest on the subject of masacre and genocide.
www.australian-news.com.au...
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reply posted on 14-3-2008 @ 02:53 PM by StarChild
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The title of this thread is very misleading.
"Massacre..." 
Two people is definitely not a massacre... 
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reply posted on 14-3-2008 @ 02:57 PM by NewWorldOver
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I don't like being keyed up to read about a massacre when it's two people.
If there were a real massacre I would be really mad right now...
Two people is a minimum casualty for messing with the Chinese government. It looks like the Tibetans are fighting the good fight and have so far kept
themselves from being stomped out...
If you ask me, China controls Tibet because it is a historical and spiritually significant place. Tibetans maintain truly ancient traditions like the
Vedics of India and if we ever lose them... that's a serious link to the past that is gone.
That's why the Nazis studied Tibetans. They were descended from the Aryans of pre-history and had 'occult' knowledge that is extremely valuable.
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