Statins: what they don't tell you, page 1
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reply posted on 14-3-2008 @ 01:50 AM by Bhadhidar
reply to post by space cadet



RLS?

Sorry, I don't recognize the condition.



I've been on statins for about five years now; first Lipotor, now Vytorin (HMO wouldn't cover the cost of Lipotor anymore).

I've suffered no side effects whatsoever. I do have regular blood-work to check for liver function; so far all is normal.


reply posted on 14-3-2008 @ 02:05 AM by space cadet
reply to post by Bhadhidar



RLS is restless leg syndrome. I cannot go to sleep or sit for even a few minutes without having to get up and stretch my legs, they feel the need to move or be stretched if I try to relax. It was one of the first side effects I had, back when I was on Pravachol. I now take the same drugs as a person with Parkinson's might take, dopamine. Then I developed a weird and rare skin problem called 'dermatographism', better known as skin writing. Quite the uncomfortable problem. I cannot even take a shower without breaking out in lines/wheals. My hands tingle and feel like they are asleep all the time. From what I have been reading lately all of these are possible side effects from the statins, but my doctor has been treating each symptom as a separate issue. The doctor's themselves are just learning about some of the other side effects like mine. Thousands of others are on the net seeking answers. I am about to be tested next week to see if there is nerve and muscle damage, my doctor already did a round of reflex tests and apparently my nerves could be messed up. I just know I am having involuntary reflexes and my hands go so numb I can't feel my fingers.



reply posted on 17-3-2008 @ 11:58 PM by starskipper
reply to post by space cadet



It is so wrong that you were not told of the possible side effects. Your doctor was wrong. If your inner voice says don't trust your dr it's time to get a new one. It is often the medical perception of helping the masses and ignoring the person, and my heart goes out to you.
For your side effects, if possible, I would strongly suggest acupuncture, some of the possible nerve damage that you have suggested may be able to be reversed. On the possitive side, some insurance companys are reconizing this type of treatment like they do chiropractors now.
I suffered a broken neck in 1993 with almost no cord damage (thank the powers to be) after my halo came off I had pinprick and weekness in my left limbs, acupuncture helped me way back then, and I believe as it is more mainstreamed now, it may be better. I use acupuncture like people use tylenol for everything from aches and pains to flue to headaches and insomnea.


reply posted on 8-8-2008 @ 03:14 PM by Badge01
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Well just thought I'd update with my new lab values.

Total Cholesterol - totally within normal limits (+/- 4 points) (even the slightly higher limits given now)
High Density Lipids (good kind) - high (this is good/protective it is thought)
LDL (bad kind) - normal (+/- 2 points).

Testosterone - high normal
PSA - (test for prostate) - normal.

Reasons?
First I think the first test was a mistake or a glitch - always get more than one test on things like this.
Second, I was in a high protein phase of my diet and even though that is not a cause of higher cholesterol it might have temp. skewed results
Third - going on the Oatmeal, olive oil and othe diet changes helped - however most people think you can't get a 50% drop on just diet, leading me to feel the preponderance was lab error/glitch.

WooHoo!



reply posted on 8-8-2008 @ 03:48 PM by Johnmike
My father has been on Lipitor since his last angioplasty/stent. He's survived two heart attacks, and that treatment is the third he had (he didn't wait for an infarction this time! hooray!).

As a pre-med and wannabe doctor (maybe I'll fix that in time ), I warned him that statins are of questionable usefulness and that he should be wary of any symptoms. When he was complaining of recurring weakness and whatnot, I immediately pointed to the statins. He went back to his cardiologist, and bingo, it was. The cardiologist halved the dosage and he's been fine since.

Moral of the story: I don't know enough to say not to take a statin, but I'd definitely talk with a cardiologist about reducing the dose.

Additionally, since you sound like a heart patient (and even if you're not) I'd take 500mg of Vitamin C every 12 hours. It's great, you can't overdose on it (you could probably eat the whole bottle and be fine since it's water soluble and the kidneys remove it easily), and Vitamin C deficiencies are thought to be a possible cause of arteriosclerosis. 500mg every 12 hours is the blood saturation level achievable through oral supplements, so I recommend that, even though some more "radical" doctors suggest doses in the tens of thousands (just to give you perspective on the safety!).



But...if you're taking a statin, have you had any heart procedures to warrant it? Or is it just some kind of preventative thing your doctor did?


Edit: I'm getting people confused.

[edit on 8-8-2008 by Johnmike]


reply posted on 8-8-2008 @ 06:23 PM by Johnmike
reply to post by Badge01



I was talking to space cadet.


For Vitamin C toxicity... msds.chem.ox.ac.uk... for rats. We never go anywhere near that level in humans, and we don't test it at such ridiculously high levels. I can't be arsed to dig up all the articles about some great stuff it's thought to do, but you can look at the Wikipedia page for an idea of where to start. There's a study I'm interested in right now, in Canada I think, where they're testing the effects of intravenous Vitamin C on cancer - supposedly it's toxic to cancerous cells.

I have no idea why you'd want to limit Vitamin C intake, you're probably thinking of something else.


reply posted on 8-8-2008 @ 08:48 PM by Badge01
reply to post by Johnmike



Haha, ok, no wonder I was confused.

Here's one link:
Does supplemental vitamin C increase cardiovascular disease risk in women with diabetes?
www.ajcn.org...

Mostly high dose Vit C is not harmful/is helpful.


reply posted on 8-8-2008 @ 09:45 PM by Badge01
Stumbled on this site:

Much attention has been focused on reducing serum cholesterol levels because of the report of the National Cholesterol Education Program (NCEP). When making decisions about treatment, clinicians must consider the effects of the individual variability of cholesterol levels. Irwig and colleagues discuss the individual variances of cholesterol measurements to help clinicians estimate the true cholesterol level of each patient and to determine each patient's true response to interventions, such as diet and/or drug therapy.

Observed cholesterol measurements may differ from the true cholesterol level because of short-term biologic and technical measurement variability. Technical variability can be controlled by paying attention to collection techniques and by using a laboratory that adheres to reference standards. The second source of individual error is biologic, reflecting the normal short-term variability of each individual's cholesterol level. The biologic variability is less amenable to control than the technical variability.


At least lends credence to getting several levels after overnight fast.

2 cents...


reply posted on 8-8-2008 @ 10:07 PM by Johnmike
reply to post by Badge01



They only used intake, not blood levels, which bothers me a lot. I suspect lurking variables, but I don't know. If you're a post-menopausal diabetic woman, be skeptical of high dosage vitamin C!


reply posted on 8-8-2008 @ 10:48 PM by Heike
OP, here is an article that may be of help to you. It's a long article but it has what I think is a lot of good information. It may make you angry though because they've known what statins can do for at least four years.

On the up side, it says that taking CoQ10 may help the symptoms. Best wishes.

Dangers of Statin Drugs

My doctor tried to put me on Crestor. I refused and demanded a fasting cholesterol test. Guess what, my "bad" cholesterol is only 150. I'm so glad I didn't give in and take the Crestor.

The whole cholesterol thing is hyped up way out of proportion anyway. But the article will tell you about that too.


reply posted on 8-8-2008 @ 11:50 PM by Badge01
reply to post by Johnmike



Point well-taken. Blood levels are key, as are other variables, I suppose. Can you break it down even further for us?

Good to have you in on the discussion.
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