Originally posted by gs001
If you invade China, who will you meet.

And, to be fair, you should insert, 'a nd destroy in relatively short order'. The problem is not that the US could not destroy significant proportions of the current standing Chinese army but that the Chinese , like the Soviet Union in WW2, will quite likely be able to recreate , from reservists, the same number of destroyed devisions in about the time it takes to destroy them. Remember that while the Germans were rampaging accross Russia for the first SIX MONTHS the SU were able to create devisions from reservists with those who were recruited just after the invasion only being deployed against Germans after 5 or 6 months of training. It really comes down to space and while you have that you can always mobilize your remaining resources to the best of your abilities.

Stellar

Originally posted by Sukhoi50
Keep Dreaming my dear....

The Russian military is nothing more than a glorified paper army.

I didn't read most of this thread. But, I'm putting this up here anyway.

Propoganda that inspires revolution is probably the best way to fight. Have someone else do it for you. Though, China would probably win. Maybe they're winning right now?

The new objective is to disregard Patriotism and Pride as they're a virtue of the vicious.

China is mostly Athiest, I guess. They'd lose a Physical battle because they're not fighting in the name of God. I'm not particularly religious, but I know if people believe they have a cause to fight, they're more likely to win over those who don't. Athiests are just kind of, Eh.

I'm agnostic.

Chinawhite -

The USN is not invincible. However I believe it is a lot harder to kill than you have made it out to be.

First of all, there would be a mutiny well before the commander of a CVBG put his ships anywhere near a position in which he would face 400 mythical mach 4 missiles. Come on, give the americans a bit more credit than that, were not idiots.

Secondly, even if a CVBG were to get into a position where it was in range of cruise missiles, they would not come from all sides.

Thirdly, the SM-3 IS a proven system against seperating, sophisticated BMs launched and detected at times and places not exactly known by the ship that intercepts them. The same would be true for Chinese missiles, but its not that hard to figure out the general angle of launch. THAT WAY. from CHINA. It's in every way a better ABM system than PATRIOT will ever be. And it has a range upwards of 300 miles.

Fourthly, I while I do not doubt the vast quantity of missiles China has I do doubt that China has quantity AND quality. I don't know exactly where you are getting this idea of wave after wave of massed, hyper super mach 12 evading sea skimming supercavitating missiles that have a new capability where they can drop cows in front of them to stop interceptant missiles. Are you referring to the KH-41? So what if it can evade at 10G, the ESSM can track and hit things turning significantly harder than that.

Fifthly, the USN organizes its CVBGs to have overlapping fields of fire. Its not like there would only be one missile intercepting each cruise missile. Add more than one CVBG to the equasion and I believe it would create a fairly comprehensive missile shield against BMs and good protection against the few cruise missiles china manages to get up and over taiwan.

lol

theres only one way to find out really!!!


and IMHO china would get is ass handed to them, there no match in any deppartment fact, thay just have a big easy to hit army i wouldnt get to tied up with the proppergander, from iraq & afghanistan the only problem america faces is the people back home if the millitary had it there own way without all the polatics and public opin, thay really could do some damage to a conventional up to date army like chinas after all thats wot it was designed for, i served 6months in helmand province with the royal anglian regt, british army... and have seen the USAF kick ass on a regs thay sure have some nice new silent aircraft because im sure we was out of the rang of the artillery so we called in a airstike the USAF supports us in operations but apparently it was artillery

Okay, first of all if this turns into a "no my countries forces are better than yours." "Oh yeah well we have super missiles that will do anything." kind of thread then I'll just have it closed down. Theres no need for that. So lets not let this turn into a patriotic bickering place.

But I think that people here significantly underestimate the US forces. Come on, you think that we would just put a CBG into the straits and start bombing things? Do you think that the carrier would be there alone without any kind of protection other than some sea sparrows and CIWS? Its not like its a carrier, they have a bunch of subs, multiple aegis cruisers, destroyers, among others. Thats when theyre patroling a coastline with no notable navy ie Iran and the Persian Gulf. Imagine how they'll be protected in a full blown war scenario.

As amateurs like us will never be able to forecast the outcome of a war.
even those politicians are always misforecast it.
for example, the leader of a hegemony believe they could conquer Iraq
in a walk, but now...
So, people of that hegemony should learn from the past, think twice before
supporting those bellicose policy.

A war with China would hopefully be fought using weapons made in the USA.

Originally posted by BRITWARRIOR
lol

The Chinese army fought with nothing but light support ( heavy machine guns/medium mortars) against a fully supported NATO force with tanks and everything esle modern army has. The Chinese armed forces are today in a far better relative situation than it was then so while they may very well still lose many soldiers for each American one their industrial potential has now made it possible to replace such far quicker. As to them needing submaries i would hardly bother given how completely vulnerable the USN is to good old fashioned mines. If the Canadians/Brits or Dutch dont send ASW and AMW vessals they will have to stay out or shore based cruise missile range just to be sure to avoid mines.

Stellar

heres 1 factor that hasn`t been covered -the native chinesepopulations within conus -what would the likely reply from them be if there was a full on attack against there homeland?

I also think Russia's military is now a joke, though the SU-27 is very impressive. I don’t think the U.S. has a fighter yet with a full 360 degree vectoring thrust, though the SU-27 is old school having no fly by wire. They probably don’t have enough anyways to make a difference.

It would be an air war. I don’t think we have the man power to invade and control China's or the Russian homeland.

And if they tried to invade the U.S. the same thing would happen to them as the British in the Revolutionary War. When you have the entire backing and support of your country things are very different, which is not the case with Iraq.

My hometown Framingham sent two divisions to the Battle of Lexington, giving the Brits a proper New Englander's welcome as well as introducing them to guerilla warfare.

As far as Russia goes, they aren’t a big fan of the U.S. right now reverting back to cold war bomber runs and they dont like our missile shield, so I think they could very well take China’s side, it would be the neighborly thing to do.


[edit on 14-3-2008 by jojoKnowsBest]

I wouldnt doubt that China has spys and sabateurs for this exact situation. However I'm pretty sure the US has covered their bases just like they did in world war II. If youre confused go to wikipedia and look up interniment camps.

I think everyone fails to recognize how strong the US military really is. Everyones saying how this war would be an easy win for the Chinese because the US isn't doing so good in Iraq. What everyone forgets is that the US is actively trying to rebuild a country and win the hearts of the people WHILE waging a war. So we have like 3 fronts going. If the US wasnt trying to be so politically correct in waging the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq then if there was someone shooting from a mosque, goodbye mosque. We would just level towns, the problem is it isn't that simple. In China we wouldnt give a damn about their citizens or their well being, so we'd blow up as much as we could to try to shock them into submission.

Originally posted by Harlequin
heres 1 factor that hasn`t been covered -the native chinesepopulations within conus -what would the likely reply from them be if there was a full on attack against there homeland?

I would say they would do pretty much what all other people in human history have done when their homeland comes under attack. It seems to be that few dictators have been so hated that people would rather have foreigners run their country than their own local tyrants.

Stellar

a poster above mentioned internment camps - but unllike ww2 , the populations of chinese in the US is somewhat larger than the japanese in usa ww2.