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posted on Mar, 12 2008 @ 06:46 PM
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Do you want to know why? because the conservatives are better and they know it very well. That is why their only line of defense, is to whine and cry like a bunch of 2 year olds who didnt get their allowance. THATS ALL THAT THE LIBERALS DO! harper did this! harper did that! blah blah blah.

The conservatives have accomplished more in 1 year then the Liberals have in 12 years, witch is really pathetic for the liberals, who are in my eyes a political disater.

They have managed to pull off the adscam with billions of your tax dollars lost on crap like golf balls and private jets, things not intended for political purposes. I can write about 100 pages why the liberals are a disaster and everyone voting them is a disgrace, but i really dont want to waste too much bandwith on the liberals.

why vote for someone who wasted your money? hell I can do that better then they can, and faster, if thats what you ontarians want. vote me! i will spend your money on golf balls! i will use your money for private jet flights werever i want to go!

focus your attention on this part, AFTER THE ADSCAM WHY WOULD YOU VOTE LIBERAL?

are you stupid?




posted on Mar, 13 2008 @ 05:26 AM
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Well I must be just plain dumb.

(Oh yeah...I don't appreciate trolls dirtying up the boards. It would be perfectly okay with me if you took a hike.)

[edit on 13-3-2008 by iceofspades]



posted on Mar, 13 2008 @ 08:58 AM
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Conservativism is the chronic losing gambit in history.

The conservatives of their time put Socrates to death.
The conservatives of their time put Jesus to death.
The conservatives of their time created the inquisition.
The conservatives of their time burned witches at the stake.
The conservatives of their time were the tories of the American Revolution.
The conservatives of their time supported slavery.
The conservatives of their time hindered reconstruction.
The conservatives of their time opposed women's sufferage.
The conservatives of their time opposed the League of Nations.
The conservatives of their time opposed the New Deal.
The conservatives of their time opposed civil rights.
Al Qeada and their associates are the conservatives of Islamic society.

Need I go on?

Any nation or society that embraces a permanant conservative ideology ceases to grow and begins stagnating. They grow by progressing.



posted on Mar, 13 2008 @ 11:43 AM
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The Liberals of our time want to lead us into a Nanny state.

The Liberals of our time are socialists.

The Liberals of our time want to limit free speech via legislation like the "Fairness Doctrine".

The Liberals of our time cry racism and sexism while they are the ones holding the prejudice.

The Liberals of our time mislead the public with carbon credits and global warming hypocrisy.

The Liberals of our time....are far too Liberal.



posted on Mar, 13 2008 @ 07:08 PM
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This is one dippy thread. For real.



posted on Mar, 13 2008 @ 10:57 PM
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the liberals increased the tax from 0% to 7%.

the conservatives decresed it to 5%.

if the liberals get elected they say they will RAISE THE TAX from 5 to 7%
so they are basing their platform on raising taxes?


why would anyone like the liberals!



posted on Mar, 14 2008 @ 12:05 AM
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Ummm, it was the Conservatives who raised the tax from 0% to 7%. Then they decreased it by 2% (woopie!) while rescinding the personal income tax cut. The only thing the Liberals did with the GST was promise to reduce it and then didn't and paid down a bunch of debt.

I worked it out and unless I spend $900 a month things that are GST taxable, I'm worse off than I was before.


[edit on 14-3-2008 by Duzey]



posted on Mar, 14 2008 @ 07:27 PM
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Originally posted by SuperSlovak
Do you want to know why? because the conservatives are better and they know it very well.


Really? You aren't serious right? Albertan maybe?


harper did this! harper did that! blah blah blah.


Why yes he did. Lets look at a couple of things he did.

He lied to Nova Scotia about the Atlantic Accord.
He lied to Bill Casey about allowing him to vote for his constituents. You know, the people that elected him to represent them in Parliament.
He lied to our Veterans about the Agent Orange compensation package.
He refuses to intervene on behalf of a Canadian citizen held in Gitmo. It seems the evidence may have been tampered with against him at that.
He lied about Senate reform and immediately after being elected, appointed a UNELECTED Senator to cabinet.
The "(Un)Accountability Act."
You mentioned the GST. How about his promise to eliminate it on gasoline if it went over 85 or 90 cents a litre, I forget which.
How about that UCCB? You can have 100 bucks a month for child care, but you have to pay tax on it. Oh and only if your kid/s are under 6. 'Cause, you know, kids can look after themselves when their 6 after school. Right?
Afghanistan. Why the hell are we staying to fight a lost cause. War on terror, please.
How about the cuts to all the Literacy programs and Status of women programs.
How about the antagonistic approach to a looming infrastructure crisis? " We are not in the business of fixing potholes"
What about Harpers and Williams/Calvert relationships. Good for the country that is.
Should I go on? I could go on for pages.


The conservatives have accomplished more in 1 year then the Liberals have in 12 years, witch is really pathetic for the liberals, who are in my eyes a political disater.


They are both disasters mate. Glad you bought into the divide and conquer mentality.


They have managed to pull off the adscam with billions of your tax dollars lost on crap like golf balls and private jets, things not intended for political purposes.


They didn't pull off anything. This implies they got away with it. They did not.


I can write about 100 pages why the liberals are a disaster and everyone voting them is a disgrace


So, in your opinion, roughly 4.5 million Canadians are a disgrace.


why vote for someone who wasted your money? hell I can do that better then they can, and faster, if thats what you ontarians want. vote me! i will spend your money on golf balls! i will use your money for private jet flights werever i want to go!


I am not an Ontarian, nor am I a Liberal. I will ask you though how you see Harpers spending to be any better. How about the 33 billion in last years budget to spend on fostering Public Private Partnerships. Is spending our tax money on fostering the idea of handing over our critical infrastructure to Private, Non Candian companies sound like wise spending?


focus your attention on this part, AFTER THE ADSCAM WHY WOULD YOU VOTE LIBERAL?


I wouldn't but not because of the close minded reasons you gave. I look beyond the colour of a politicians tie to decide who gets my vote.


are you stupid?


Nope, are you? Nevermind, it's rhetorical.

[edit on 14-3-2008 by GAOTU789]



posted on Mar, 14 2008 @ 10:06 PM
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GAOTU789, im not insulting anyone in this thread exept the liberals, just to make myself clear. and yes im albertan, and being a residant of the richest province in canada, i dont want to have a money shark like the liberals wasting my money on gun registrys and cat licences.



posted on Mar, 14 2008 @ 11:11 PM
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Lets examine this shall we?

The conservatives of their time put Socrates to death.
Proof that they were "Conservative please. Voting records will do as we are discussing politics.

The conservatives of their time put Jesus to death.
See Above.

The conservatives of their time created the inquisition.
Again, see above.

The conservatives of their time burned witches at the stake.
Whew, again see above. I looked and looked and could not find voting records for that era. Perhaps you have sources I do not.

The conservatives of their time were the tories of the American Revolution.
Again, see above.

The conservatives of their time supported slavery.
As did the Libs equally as much.

The conservatives of their time hindered reconstruction.
Wrong, flat out. The Conservatives of that time, still no voting records sorry, were the business men that invested in reconstruction. 3rd grade history.

The conservatives of their time opposed women's sufferage.
Wrong again. See Here:

1869
The women's rights movement splits into two factions as a result of disagreements over the Fourteenth and soon-to-be-passed Fifteenth Amendments. Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Susan B. Anthony form the more radical, New York-based National Woman Suffrage Association (NWSA). Lucy Stone, Henry Blackwell, and Julia Ward Howe organize the more conservative American Woman Suffrage Association (AWSA), which is centered in Boston. In this same year, the Wyoming territory is organized with a woman suffrage provision. In 1890, Wyoming was admitted to the Union with its suffrage provision intact.
1870
The Fifteenth Amendment enfranchises black men. NWSA refuses to work for its ratification, arguing, instead, that it be "scrapped" in favor of a Sixteenth Amendment providing universal suffrage. Frederick Douglass breaks with Stanton and Anthony over NWSA's position.

Votes for Women

The conservatives of their time opposed the League of Nations.
Who cares.

The conservatives of their time opposed the New Deal.
Oh really? HUH, funny I found this...

The New Deal faced some very vocal conservative opposition. The first organized opposition in 1934 came from the American Liberty League led by Democrats such as 1924 and 1928 presidential candidates John W. Davis and Al Smith.

New Deal
Operative wording being "Led By DEMOCRATS"

The conservatives of their time opposed civil rights.
Really? HUH, funny I found this...

By party

The original House version:

* Democratic Party: 164-96 (63%-37%)
* Republican Party: 138-34 (80%-20%)

The Senate version:

* Democratic Party: 46-22 (68%-32%)
* Republican Party: 27-6 (82%-18%)

The Senate version, voted on by the House:

* Democratic Party: 153-91 (63%-37%)
* Republican Party: 186-35 (84%-16%)

Wiki
Now just looking at those numbers, and not being a math addict, it would appear the CONSERVATIVE vote was significantly higher. HUH...

Al Qeada and their associates are the conservatives of Islamic society.
Voting records please. Oh yeah, you can't prove that...

Need I go on?

Naw, I think you have shoveled enough and I have uncovered it for you.

Semper



posted on Mar, 15 2008 @ 12:30 AM
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im not insulting anyone in this thread exept the liberals


That's the problem. Let's get past that and discuss all of them. Chretien, Martin or Harper aren't/haven't been good for us. Neither was Mulroney. I have voted both Liberal and Conservative.

Now I vote neither.

None of them are good for our country anymore. What are our choices? A liar, a coward and a Socialist. Some choice.


the liberals wasting my money on gun registrys and cat licences.


Couldn't agree more. I don't want the Tories(Alliance) doin' it either. Harper hasn't quite gotten around to scrapping the long gun registry yet has he. Theirs legislation pending but they don't seem to be in a hurry to push it through do they? Will it crumble and be another election promise? Doesn't seem it with the Liberals constantly abstaining. You should be a happy man. The Tories are basically running a Majority government with the way that Dionne is ducking every issue. I remember reading a story about a senior Liberal party member saying to Mike Duffy after the leadership convention....

"See you in 18 months Duffy."

Dionne doesn't have spine to oppose harper. Shame really, someone needs to stand up to him. As much as I don't want an Election, this Alliance government, sorry, I mean Conservative government should have fell a long time ago.

[edit on 15-3-2008 by GAOTU789]



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