Alex Jones: patriot, fraud, or disinfo agent?, page 1
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reply posted on 12-3-2008 @ 06:41 PM by percievedreality
reply to post by thetruth777



Great questions! I have often thought about each and everyone you listed. I do not know the answers, but it leads me to believe that your statement, "Awareness may halt the plan." is not really the state of things currently. I see it as, "awareness WILL accelerate the plan" (NWO's agenda). Maybe Jones, who is considered by many, even here on ATS, to be a "kook" is just a little to behind on his message to the people. ie - allthough he is a leading descendant, we are beyond the point of no return, thus he really does not necessitate a harsh silencing?


reply posted on 12-3-2008 @ 07:14 PM by indierockalien
Yeah but Alex Jones doesn't really pay attention to the philosophical part of this whole thing. There is no "us against them". We're all in this together. Instead of being afraid and defensive towards some shadow government creeping closewr every day, why not realize that you let this happen just as much as everybody else? If we as a society change our behaviour, become more civilized towards each other, help each other more, work together instead of competing with one another, we wouldn't need some violent uprising. People would just begin following the example being set by peaceful-minded people, and slowly it would naturally counteract the opposing force, the side that always wants war and more.

All Alex Jones is doing is pissing people off and frightening people. A lot of Alex Jones fans can't tell truth from squat, and they're just as much backwoods screwed up biggots and uninformed pawns as the "NWO" or the "sheeple", and they hang on his every word like he's Jesus and he can do no wrong. If only more people would take his message with a grain of salt, and look for their own truth, we wouldn't have this guy basically ruining the image of "conspiracy theorists". We're not all nut jobs standing in the street, screaming in people's faces through a megaphone "The end is nigh! The end is nigh!". Most people know better than that. You don't get through to people by screaming at them. II learned that a long time ago when I used to fight with my mopm in high school. I'd have a point, but she would stop listening to me, because I decided to scream my point across to her, and she felt threatened and annoyed by it.

Same with Alex Jones. People generally feel threatened and annoyed by him when he's yelling on street corners. Although some stop to listen, and thats's the scary part. I swear, Alex Jones' movements and demeanor when publicly speaking remind me of Hitler. He can say he stands for all this fluffy stuff like patriotism and the constitution and Our Beloved America!!!!!!! but in the end, all he stands for is another illusion of grandeour. He stands for nothing important.

I've said this once, and I'll say it again. America is not important in the least bit to the survival of this species. Peace, kindness, working together, all of these things will save us, whereas clutching our paws on a dying social experiment will only bring us more desperation.

Alex Jones sells desperation and extremeism, and he's so blinded by his own face in the mirror, that he doesn't seem to understand what he's yelling about. This is why nobody is stopping him. Civil unrest is good for the war industry. I hear China's war machine warming up as we speak. Good for business, they would say about Alex Jones.


reply posted on 12-3-2008 @ 07:27 PM by NewWorldOver
Originally posted by indierockalien
I swear, Alex Jones' movements and demeanor when publicly speaking remind me of Hitler.

... He stands for nothing important.

...

Alex Jones sells desperation and extremeism, and he's so blinded by his own face in the mirror, that he doesn't seem to understand what he's yelling about.


Some really disgusting diatribe there my friend. I'm not going to remove you from my friends list but I am awfully tempted.

You claim Alex is all about his ego, yet the only person spouting about him for pages is yourself. Alex haters spend far more time discussing Alex then even his biggest fans... kind of sad.

Alex resembles Hitler? I guess speaking loudly and using hand gestures makes a person a Nazi now? That's sad...

Alex stands for nothing? I guess endlessly fighting for the constitution and keeping a watch on the erosion of Americas freedoms is 'nothing' to you? We should all be doing those things but America is apathetic and people just want to tear eachother down. Sound familiar?

Alex is just a man. He claims no titles, no awards... he is not full of himself and the only thing he brags about is his love for his country.

You think it's wrong for the man to be angry and afraid? You think it's wrong for a patriot to be angered at the erosion of his freedoms, and afraid for the safety of his children and his country?

I don't want to understand this kind of thinking. Some people cannot stand the success of another person, even when they are doing a good thing... me, I live my life in support of good people who do good things... Alex Jones is a fellow American that I am proud of.

[edit on 12-3-2008 by NewWorldOver]


reply posted on 13-3-2008 @ 03:05 AM by indierockalien
I don't hate Alex Jones. I think maybe he thinks he's doing the right thing. I thought so, too, actually. I used to listen to Alex Jones religiously, and hung onto every word. A lot of what he says has been true, and is being true. I watch him, I listen to him, and to tell you the truth, if more people could maybe analyze info a little better in their minds, I wouldn't feel that Alex is going about this all wrong... but people don't GET it. Just like William Cooper, they take these figureheads words for it.

I have the same problem with Bill Cooper, only less so because as crazy as some of his information seemed, and as crazy as some people say he was, he went so much deeper than Alex Jones did. Headmitted his weaknesses, he admitted his religious bias, he knew his own institutions were failing him.... and he left no holds barred. He put things out there as raw as he saw them. Maybe he wasn't right about everything, but I don't think it matters now. He made a modest living just trying to get people informed of what is happening as best as he could, and look who died? Alex is alive, Bill is dead. If the NWO is the menace we all think, why did they kill him and not Alex Jones? Why is ALex Jones even still allowed to talk against the government? Because he still supports the government. He still supports violent revolution, when it comes down to that point. He still supports negative chaos, and history has shown what negative chaos brings us again and again. The same people we rebel against put on shiny new facades and stroll out another puppet who says they have the answer, and then what? We're lied to, and we're screwed over in even more complicated and messed up ways.

We're always sitting there, wondering why things never change.... well, maybe we should be looking at how we've tried changing things in the past. What have we always done? Taken sides and fought over who's right and who's wrong.

Same way we bicker here.

Alex Jones is just a man with opinions, but if you have trouble analyzing things for yourself, and if you have a bad habit of following any movement that stirs up your emotions with their powerful words, you should not listen to him.... because he's taken too literally.

I give thanks to Alex, as well, but in the same breath... I encourage him to calm down, look past the flag and the cross that blind his higher thought, and start presenting his information with a little more virtue, and a little less fanaticism.

I'm not saying he's "on their side" or anything... but if the NWO have taken notice of him which I'm sure they have, they think of him as harmless. He scares people. My nephew thinks Alex Jones worships Satan because one time I was watching some documentary, and ALex was screaming about god knows what, and I guess it scared my nephew and he ran away and told his mom that I was watching satan worshippers.
Also, the people who follow him and take after his footsteps... they in turn scare people, too.

He's had good info, nobody disputes that.... but unfortunately for some reason, he chooses to present it in a very in your face fashion... and it just needs to be subtle.... because people do not know how to rreact to this kind of thing. It's too sensetive of material to just be exploded into the average person's face. They will just go "whoa, cah-reep!" and walk away, maybe even run away.

Calm down, Alex. The NWO is not coming this instant. We can breathe easy for at least like, a few hours....
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