Munitions Specialist Says Phoenix Lights Were Flares, He Was There!

Yep. My point exactly.

Which then begs the question - if its the case - who does this thing belong to?

Us or "them"?

Either way its an avenue to ponder. Sighting clusters and air base activity. Maybe theres a pattern there?

Hi Don,



The gentlemen making the claims who ironically gets a little sarcastic in regards to "doing research" is ignorant of the events that occurred that night. Moreover, there were reports of "large V-Shaped craft" coast to coast in the early part of '97. In the middle of March there were reports in Nevada, Arizona and New Mexico.

Last year around this time in "turning up the volume" on the event, a couple of previously "unknown witnesses" chimed in and we received a report as far south as Yuma, with a "westerly flight path" heading into California or Mexico.

Sadly, the media then, as it still does today, in favor of anything "visual" always combined "10:00 pm flare video" with 8:00 hour "V-Shaped Craft witnesses" forever confusing the layperson.

Cheers,
Frank

What I like about this video clip is that McCain takes it serious. While others are laughing, he answers it like any other question he might be asked. I'm not going to vote for him, but kudos to him for this.

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Nice little post Frank... (yeau, I know, late to my own funeral...lol).

Just wanted to pop in and mention to the poster that wants to know why there isn't any footage or photographs of the triangle.

It's my understanding that there is footage of this object. And I can almost guarantee you that more footage/photos exists than is being released. Why might that be? Well I can tell you that personally I have footage that I've only showed to a few close associates that I will probably never release to the public. The research I do is my own and I'm not out to gain any glory or book-sales. And I think that in this case there are many more people that not only saw this event but some did capture it too. It is my belief that for every one photo that may surface publicly, there is probably as many as nine or ten that did not, it's in a box under the bed or in a scrap-book that on Holidays gets opened up where some family members chimes up with, "Hey.. want to see a photo that Uncle Charlie shot of a little green mans spaceship?" The ridicule factor still exists today just as it did in the late 40's, 50's and 60's.

We should also keep in mind that many people have a tendency to look forward and downward but not very often do they look upward. I always marvel of the people that scream, "How come more people didn't see it?" Well Mr. Skeptic , one has to be looking towards the direction that these things appear.. oh thats right.. It's upwards and overhead. And I can also tell you from personal experience that I've missed more opportunities to capture an event than I've witnessed simply because of being in awe and thinking that if I run to grab the camera.. I'm going to miss something.. Unfortunately these objects don't hang out very long, or maybe you've not heard that...?

Perfect example is a huge FireBall object of some form crossing between two mountain ranges. It was of a size larger than a football field and what appeared to be less than several miles away at a low altitude traveling a guessed trajectory to the South of 25-35 miles per hour. My Gold-Prospecting partner and I watched it for almost 20 seconds. We observed it make a trajectory course change to avoid the top of one mountain peak. All of this.. and no further than 6 feet away from me were several cameras almost within arms-reach.. But did I get any photos.. err. nope.. and I'm a seasoned semi-pro out in the field...lol

So anywho.. there could be a number of reasons why there are not more photos surfacing.. but the lack of evidence is not indicative that evidence is lacking, just that it's not known at this particular time...

Johnny

This is a very rare case where there are a few YouTube videos that can actually help sort the wheat from the chaff.
The Phoenix lights incident is “the” most misunderstood UFO event in recent history, the reasons for this are manifold. Before going any further let me lay out the basic facts regarding the sighting(s). At around 8:20pm on March 13th, 1997 the residents of Paulden Arizona, (Sixty miles north of Phoenix.), saw something strange in the night sky; these first reports were received from witnesses who saw a huge flying triangle or “V”, shaped craft.
The Phoenix Triangle Craft of 1997 Video

One of the eye witnesses was none other than the Governor of the state, Fife Symington. His testimony is nothing less than spectacular, check out what he is saying by looking at some of the video links provided.
NPC Conference Nov. 12 Fife Symington


This strange craft followed a 200 mile track from Tucson to Phoenix, moving north to south across Arizona. Later on THE SAME NIGHT, at around 10:00pm in Phoenix, a line of lights forming an arch shape were observed by the locals, many of them recorded the lights with their video cameras. No witnesses to this case reported the lights blocking the stars or moving as a craft would, the videos all show the lights to be slowly drifting down. The entire incident lasted five to ten minutes and appeared in the southwest. There is good testimony from the individuals involved.

The Phoenix lights are shown to be behind the mountains
Fife Symington saw UFO on March 13, 1997 CNN

This video is the most convincing, it shows where the flares were in relation to the city of Phoenix and the mountains, and it also shows that the only motion observed was down, as flares would descend.

Lt. Col. Ed Jones piloted one of the four A-10s in the squadron.
Detailed info from one of the pilots , Web Link

The arch shape that the lights formed was caused by the way they were dropped from the A-10s, the first ones dropped had more time to drift down on their parachutes, this evidence tends to confirm the flares theory, even without the pilots reports.
The two separate events happened on the same night causing endless confusion. The news and UFO documentaries ALWAYS show the flares over Phoenix and NEVER differentiate them from the earlier more spectacular sightings seen earlier north of Phoenix, they do this because there are many videos depicting the incident and they are clear and bright, the rare footage of the giant “V” craft is very grainy and dim, it is not good for broadcasting on television. The fact that the Phoenix Lights were largely proven to be flares is rarely reported. Almost 100% of the UFO buffs believe that the Phoenix sighting was the same as the giant floating “V” craft. Listening to the Coast to Coast radio show confirms this, callers and “Experts”, like Linda M. Howe have been heard saying that the Phoenix Lights were not flares, even thought the facts do not support this.
If you take the time to research this incident one thing becomes clear, a strange and awesome craft floated above thousands of witnesses, some of which were aviation professionals and military personnel, those who know aircraft, including B2 bombers and other aircraft have said there was no possibility that they had misidentified the craft seen that night with a similarly shaped craft. This sighting was right out of something like a Hollywood production of “Independence Day.”, or something similar, a witness that called in to Coast to Coast said she saw this object above her as she drove under it at fifty miles per hour, even at that speed, it took five minutes to come out on the other side of it.

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Continued from above,...

This story is corroborated by hundreds, even thousands of witnesses, when you add the Governor of the state to the list, the seriousness of the event becomes apparent. It could be an exotic materials blimp, it could be a top secret anti gravity design, it could even be a craft of extraterrestrial origin. We know it is real, we just don't know what it is or where it comes from. One thing for sure, we need to separate the two events of that night, now we have to stop all of the misinformation about the flares being the triangle craft. The Governor has stated on the record that what he saw was NOT flares.

Evenin' Baz,


Based on the evidence of the day, "what it is," is of course the debate; however, that same evidence ensures "what it isn't," i.e., "man-made."

There is most definitely a pattern, (re UFO sightings near military installations) see Hastings work for starters, and early "Project Sign/Grudge files.

Cheers,
Frank

reply to post by JohnnyAnonymous

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Hi johnny, a few "why?" for ya

Why don't you release this footage if you got it? I quiet don't understand why you don't want to do this, if i had a piece of footage as the one you claim possed, i would realease it to the public right now, certainly anonymously to avoid a lot of problems, but i'll do it, not only to prove that there was really something this night but also because it could the begining of the real disclosure and maybe will finaly know what those things are!
I'm pretty sure that what we see on the usual phoenix light footage is flares BUT lot of people have seen a huge triangle craft, so the flares were definatly used to take our attention on them and not the craft, i heard that the flares were seen in a direction when the craft where at the opposite, i guess the flares were dropped from the south and the craft was at north, at least i remember have rode something like that.
So why not release it, prove that there was definatly something that night, what will result in losing of credibility of the military claims and then maybe wiil get the truth, if military are proven to be liar on this case, what is left will follow like the stephenville case and maybe roswel!
Also you work on a website which want to find the truth on all, or at least most, of conspiracy, so, here is the last why, why keeping secret a proof that could lead to what this website is trying to do?
Do you think the public is still not ready for this kind of disclosure?

Is there any chance for me to see the footage or at least a piece of it? I could sign all the paper you want that say i will never described to anyone what i have seen!

I'm so curious now, i want and need to see it!


Cheers

P.s.: i hope you'll understand everything i wrote, my english is not that good so i try to make the most understandable sentence as i can.

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If its flares, somebody needs to take responsibility and resign for having scared the entire populace.

Hi Johnny!



Late but dependable I always say . . ..



I would have to agree with this assessment based on my own research and experience, with one proviso, that is I don't believe the "ratio" is accurate; nonetheless, you can be assured there are other "images" which haven't surfaced yet.



This of course is very true; however, that night there was a more then average amount of people looking skyward because of Hale-Bopp. It's safe to say "thousands" in the 8:00 pm hour witnessed the "humongous V-Shaped craft."



Yes, a common mistake amongst "UFO abecedarians," we're dealing with a "transient phenomenon" making "brief appearances.



People also forget that the very "first step" in regards to "scientific method" is the "observation of a phenomena"; it is a paradox, or unorthodox to disregard eyewitness testimony because it doesn't fit into the realm of "present accepted scientific knowledge."

Cheers,
Frank

Ummmm...what he said.

and I will now type out this sentence in order to avoid the "One Line" ding.