ufo seen during endeavour live tv broadcast!!happening right now, page 15

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Two unidentified objects? Ok I must have missed a second. I only saw a glimpse of one. If this is true and you did see a second UFO then this can make the event in question all the more credible if we get the footage.

It may be easier to identify having two UFO's to look deeper into.

Interesting, the plot thickens.

reply to post by icblue

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I'm sorry, I didn't understand that's what you meant, and I agree that it's not necessarily debris from the shuttle. I think at this point it's just as likely to be a satellite, as frozen waste.

tera

Originally posted by MoonandStar
Hımmm....

This is all over the mainstream Turkish news now, looks like NASA confirms an UFO during launch......

Disclosure here I come slowly...I say

MoonStar: Actually what "mainstream" media are you talking about? I also live in Turkey and I checked all newspapers and channels after seeing your post and saw no mention of the shuttle or any ufo anywhere. Do you have any links ??

All I could find is a link which was posted an hour ago stating the Endeavour's astronouts have started space walk. No mention of ufos again.

www.haberx.com...

And looks like NASA "confirms" an UFO during "launch"?? So NASA actually confirmed that helicopter thing seen during launch was an UFO?? Where did you hear that? Well, I really fed up with that helicopter thing from the start and now we have a confirmation great. I really request a slap function for the Turkish media as well..

Did they say anything about the debris??

Originally posted by ExpertTexpert
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Humans in large groups often don't respond well to outside influences unless they are managed - the consent of the bewildered herd must be created, and no better way has yet been devised than the false flag operation.

Excellent analysis, if I may say.

What you are doing is using past experiences to "predict", or at least - model, future events. You don't happen to have some analyst background, do you? I won't ask what your job was (still is?), mind you.

There's just one tiny bit you didn't clarify very well - "the consent of the bewildered herd must be created".

Who is to say that "consent" hasn't been created for eons, and that it wouldn't have continued to be created for eons more, if aliens hadn't shown up? Maybe aliens are trying to "de-create" what someone else had created on this planet in the first place? There are so many possibilities out there, don't you agree?

Maybe (hey, why not?) aliens are going to use a false flag operation to really, trully liberate people? I'm not kidding here. When faced with an overwhelming enemy force, all options are on the table. Asymetric Warfare, you know - The Worst Nightmare of any organized army. You sound like you could appreciate that kind of thinking...

Your line or reasoning is quite alright, but only as long as you are aware that, psychologically speaking, an alien race could be so distant from humanity that it would take hundreds of years of really close relations to reach their level of experience and knowledge. I used to compare humans trying to understand aliens' motivations to "a frog dissecting a student of medicine".

I'll give you a perfect example of what I'm talking about. Have you heard of Church of the SubGenius? They are hillarious, I tell ya! But what they are talking about is real. As real as your (or my) life. I'd bet you on it, but you need a little more experience to play with the pros.

Here's what "the church" has to say ("SubGenius Manifesto", down the page):
www.subgenius.com...

Can you even begin to comprehend that kind of psychology (which I like to describe as "A Being Who Had Seen it All")? Until you are able to do that, you'll have no hope of understanding anything. You'll have a nice view on the "play" though, right here in the center of the stage.

Remember this?

"All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts..."


[edit on 14-3-2008 by elendal]

reply to post by ExpertTexpert

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Oh, and just one more thing I forgot...

It just happens that a couple of days ago I stumbled upon an interview with admiral William "Fox" Fallon. Well, let me say just this - there's a guy who gets it!

A full life in the military, experiences beyond belief, excellent understanding of matters, both military and psychology-wise... I have to say I feel great admiration for this guy.

So, ExpertTexpert, since you're as much no-nonsense guy as admiral Fallon (I get the same "vibes" from both of you), I believe you'll also appreciate reading that interview:

www.esquire.com...

reply to post by emsed1

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Are you kidding me? Are people still posting about helicopters.

Is it a joke now? People are just coming on this thread to post about helicopters on purpose.

I mean, I understood it when it was on page 2-3. Seriously, someone needs to remove those videos.

reply to post by Sublime620

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Yes this is truly unbelievable, I have read this whole thread and I am a newbie to the site, yet have seen nothing like this thread yet to date, I hope this is just an aberration.

Between the helicopter people, and the people questioning NOT what the OP said but what the other guy said about the worm etc and calling HIM the OP etc etc, is there a way the OP or someone else can start a new thread, with the REAL footage that someone found and uploaded to Google, and the very first post that started this thread, because it's becoming annoying to read through so many posts by people who have NOT read the whole thread?? I don't know if you can do that or not, so just asking, if not I guess we just have to wade through the posts of people who continue to not read the thread huh?

Anyone sick of hearing about the helicopter, or interested in reading about my ATS companion site concept/possible ATS ideas, please check out this thread (as it was moved to a forum few read):

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Thanks!

[edit on 3/15/08 by AkumaStreak]

reply to post by ExpertTexpert

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elendal:

Thanks for the kind words. I do have a habit of running my words past my brain before posting.

And modeling or reasonably predicting future scenerios based on those past is all we have. I do insurance analysis, so I'm very aware that past events and human behavior is, indeed, a reliable well from which to draw. With such a rich history of human behavior from which to glean, with close attention, humans - especially when herded with nationalism and under an icon like a flag - can be remarkably predictable.

For instance, with Bush's stellar performance as the ideal puppet in the perfect position, would you like to wager that Cheney and minions will make at least one more attempt - before finally being relieved at the helm - at drawing the US into open conflict with Iran?

Consent has been manufactured since the first humans began to gather in packs, recognizing the strongest or smartest to offer direction and leadership. Welcome group-think to the human condition. Humans, by and large, want to follow, to be a part of the recognized whole - and governments rely heavily on this crutial reality in order to insure societal cohesion. And I have little doubt, that if ET has, in fact, been present for countless centuries or even a few decades on planet earth, the human glob and it's reality has been fashioned - with varying degrees of success - with ET's agenda and objectives at the forefront.

And in concert with 'legitimate government' leaderships, variations of the false flag that most of us mere mortals can't imagine would be commonplace. The evil genius of the 'attacks' of 911 may very well be a cake walk compared to future defining events on the human journey.

Imagine comparing the human experience of 100,00 years or so on earth, (quite literally a blink of an eye on the cosmological timescale), to other civilizations in our galaxy or more distant, with a jump start of 10,000 years, a million years or half a billion years. A stunning concept to fathom, quite realistic and unsettling in it's ramifications. Yes, humans as the bucket of frogs contemplating brain surgery, algorhythms in statistical analysis or energy and matter as identical - simply in different states.

That church of the subgenius seems a bit on the edge, (I'm being kind). Far be it from me to alledge anything like zaniness at work or many having just too much time on their hands. I'd have to educate myself more about the broader view and their tenets and agendas to make such claims, but frankly, so much of my time is dedicated to staring into my power crystals and attempting to re-summon the High Priestess from Tralfamadore.

What they are pros at, is beyond me. After all, Jeffery Dahmer was a professional sychopath/cannibal - and Hitler was a professional motivational speaker. I've always appreciated those reaching the zenith of their chosen crafts. Approval is an entirely different matter.

Yes, General Fallon is the voice of reason, a moderating force that was, however, overwhemed when it came to US actions in Iraq. The diminished tide was too much - too sudden - to widespread. His grasp of the world and the grand chess game is that of a rare seasoned scholar unwittingly surrounded by belicose, short-sighted 6th graders armed with the 'legitimacy of the electorate' and the really big guns.

Have no doubt though. The carefully manufactured American myth will survive, relatively unscathed.

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