Originally posted by TheBorg
Only question about that that I have now is is that just a typo then?
Originally posted by hawk123
All 99 degrees are described on:
The first 33 degrees are similar to those of the Scottish Rite.
[edit on 19-10-2008 by hawk123]
Originally posted by pacificwind
Memphis-Mirisam, while undoubtedly interesting, is clandestine and not practiced by regular freemasons. [edit on 11-3-2008 by pacificwind]
Of course, you forgot to mention that those 99 degrees are of a irregular body that no longer operates in freemasonry. A few people got the ritual and started their own organizations with it, but are not recognized by any regular or irregular freemasonic body I am familiar with.
There is no degree higher than the 3rd. People have got to get over this obsession with numbered masonic degrees.
Originally posted by silent thunder
I just thought I'd interject to note that I was oficially dubbed a 96th°degree Memphis Misraim initiate yesterday, concurrently with I was also named the official National Head for the country in which I live in (which will not be given by name to protect my privacy).
Exciting stuff, at least to me! If any of you have Q's about MM I can see if I can try to answer them or point you to some valid info.
[edit on 6/4/09 by silent thunder]
I would point out that the organization to which this person belongs is not one of the mainstream groups and is more of a "magical" operative type order. While I am sure it has merit in it's own right, it is not "Freemasonry" as understood by most.
Originally posted by Estess
The Rite of Memphis-Misraim is a rite of the illuminati themselves as it goes beyond the 33rd degree of freemasonry.
Originally posted by Masonic Light
Sort of, but it's a complex issue.
Memphis and Mitzraim were originally two separate rites, Memphis being based in large part upon Mitzraim. Both Rites were originally considered more or less regular in Europe, and Garibaldi was actually the head of both of them in Italy.
Here in the United States, Memphis and Mitzraim set themselves up as rivals to the Scottish Rite. A Supreme Sovereign Sanctuary was opened in the 1920's for the purpose of officially closing both rites, and placing them under the jurisdiction of the Grand College of Rites of the United States.
Originally posted by M74
So far it has basically just been asserted that the rite has gone defunct/become unrecognized, but my question would be why? Why was it considered only "quasi"-masonic, not fully masonic? Why did the rite willfully submit/reform to the Grand College?
Why does the rite have such a forbidden quality to it?
Also, after doing a quick search on the internet, what do you make of bodies like this which claim to be regular: www.sovereignsanctuary.org...
Originally posted by 7ringladder
You have no idea what you are talking about. Memphis Misraim is regularly practiced by the regular mainstream Grand Lodge in Romania (NGLR) by the Grand Orient of Italy (recognized as being the regular Grand Lodge in Italy by American GLs) by Ecuador, Brazil and elsewhere. The Rite of Misraim is practiced by the regular mainstream GLs in Venezuela and the Dominican Republic.
If you are a traveling man, you really need to get out more. Stop looking to the internet for your research.
This thing about there being nothing higher than the 3rd degree is true in a lodge of Master Masons, but anything higher...is just that...higher. I think the mentality that served to give us the 1813 de-Christianization by the Duke of Sussex, also served to ostracize the higher degrees and broke up the numerous Rites in the UK, and now leads to American Masons who constantly throw this bit around about there being nothing higher than the 3rd degree. None of the leaders behind the scenes in American Masonry ever actually believed that. Some of them like Denslow propagated it, only to aid himself in his battle against the SGC of the Southern Jurisdiction Scottish Rite when his 33rd was in danger of not happening. But, in private...he sought out the ne plus ultra of the most sought out Rites of Masonry.
"From a Masonic document now in my possession, I can prove that no very long time ago the Chaldees of York were Freemasons, that they constituted the Grand Lodge of England, and that they held their meetings in the Crypt under the Grand Cathedral of that city... the Lodge, which was the Grand Lodge of All England had been held under the Cathedral in the Crypt at York." (SOURCE: Anacalypsis Vol. 1, p. 718 by Godfrey Higgins 1833-1836)
The Most Holy Trinosophia
...The Comte de St.-Germain and Sir Francis Bacon are the two greatest emissaries sent into the world by the Secret Brotherhood in the last thousand years.
The principles disseminated by the Comte de St.-Germain were undoubtedly Rosicrucian in origin and permeated with the doctrines of the Gnostics. The Comte was the moving spirit of Rosicrucianism during the eighteenth century—possibly the actual head of that order—and is suspected of being the great power behind the French Revolution. There is also reason to believe that Lord Bulwer-Lytton’s famous novel, Zanoni, is actually concerned with the life and activities of St.-Germain. He is generally regarded as an important figure in the early activities of the Freemasons. Repeated efforts, however, probably with an ulterior motive, have been made to discredit his Masonic affiliations. Maags of London are offering for sale a Masonic minute book in which the signatures of both Comte de St.-Germain and the Marquis de Lafayette appear. It will yet be established beyond all doubt that the Comte was both a Mason and a Templar; in fact, the memoirs of Cagliostro contain a direct statement of his own initiation into the order of the Knights Ternplars at the hands of St.-Germain. Many of the illustrious personages with whom the Comte associated were high Masons, and sufficient memoranda have been preserved concerning the discussions which they held to prove that he was a Chaster of Freemasonic lore....
...The Egyptianized interpretation of Freemasonic symbolism which is so evident in the writings of Ragon and other French Masonic scholars of the same period (such as Court de Gabelin and Alexandre Lenoir) is also present in the figures and text of the St.-Germain manuscript. In his comments on the Rite of Misraim, called the Egyptian Rite, Ragon distinguishes 90 degrees of Masonic Mysteries. The Ist to 33rd degrees he terms symbolic; the 34th to 66th degrees, philosophic; the 67th to 77th, mystic; and the 78th to 90th, Cabbalistic. The Egyptian Freemasonry of Cagliostro may also have been derived from St.-Germain or from some common body of Illuminists of whom St.-Germain was the moving spirit. Cagliostro’s memoirs contain a direct statement of his initiation into the Order of Knights Templars at the hands of St.-Germain. De Luchet gives what a modern writer on Cagliostro calls a fantastic account of the visit paid by Allesandro and his wife the Comtesse Felicitas to St.-Germain in Germany, and their subsequent initiation by him into the sect of the Rosicrucians—of which he was the Grand Master or chief. There is nothing improbable in the assumption that Cagliostro secured La Très Sainte Trinosophie from St.-Germain and that the manuscript is in every respect an authentic ritual of this society....
Originally posted by Tamahu
And let us not forget Manly P. Hall, who is recognized by the Scottish Rite as the greatest Masonic Philosopher of the 20th Century, and his writings on Cagliostro and St. Germain:
Originally posted by Masonic Light
Actually, Hall wrote throughout his entire life, and lived to be 91.
Also, I'm not sure if the majority of Masons familiar with Hall would agree with your analysis. When he died in the early 1990's, the Scottish Rite Journal, which is the official publication of the Supreme Council, hailed him as Masonry's greatest modern philosopher.
Photo of Illustrious Brother Manly P. Hall, 33rd Degree