Just noticed that 20 and 35 are the same... Is this supposed to happen? Do they have varying degrees of difficulty for each rank or something? Odd, to
say the least.
TheBorg
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reply posted on 11-3-2008 @ 07:36 AM by ConspiracyNut23
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Wow! That's one fine sense of observation TheBorg
It's possible. Cug posted the same degrees in this post within the following thread: (with the same repetition)
Research: Degrees Of World Freemasonry
www.abovetopsecret.com...
EDIT:
Found more information on the degrees themselves...
dglmadras.org.in...
The link will give you 1-33 scroll down to the bottom for links to the rest. (all the way to 99) -
[edit on 11/3/08 by ConspiracyNut23]
Wow! That's one fine sense of observation TheBorg
It's possible. Cug posted the same degrees in this post within the following thread: (with the same repetition)
Research: Degrees Of World Freemasonry
www.abovetopsecret.com...
EDIT:
Found more information on the degrees themselves...
dglmadras.org.in...
The link will give you 1-33 scroll down to the bottom for links to the rest. (all the way to 99) -
[edit on 11/3/08 by ConspiracyNut23]
reply posted on 11-3-2008 @ 11:49 AM by Grand Hierophant
i just noticed the 2 same degrees, i found some more info on this order:
The Rite of Memphis-Misraïm: An International Order
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The Rite of Memphis-Misraïm: An International Order
More than 200 years old, this Rite still engenders lively interest and enjoys important developments on an international level. Faithful to its founding principles, it affirms itself as a Rite that is traditional, symbolic and spiritualistic, and associated with the principles of tolerance and liberty.
Countries where Memphis-Misraïm works today
* Argentina
* Brazil
* Chile
* Spain
* France
* Martinique
* Mauritius
* New Caledonia
* Scandinavia
* Switzerland
* Uruguay
* USA
* Venezuela
Among the Masonic Rites, this Rite has occupied a particular position since its origin. It has its place among the Egyptian rites that drank from the source of the ancient initiatic traditions of the Mediterranean basin: Pythagoreans, Alexandrian hermetic authors, neo-Platonics, the Sabbeans of Harrân, Ismaelies ... It was necessary to wait until the XVIIIth century to find any traces in Europe. These rites were numerous but only two among them came to us: Misraïm and later Memphis. These two would associate and then merge under the influence of General Garibaldi in 1881.
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reply posted on 11-3-2008 @ 12:06 PM by ConspiracyNut23
reply to post by pacificwind
According to some posts in this forum, the Scottish Rite in the US gives out degrees 4 to 32 over a weekend. Would you call them "degree peddlers"?
You seem to be looking down on the Rites of Memphis. Aren't their goals to make better people? Are the goals that different from mainstream Masonry? Is accepting Atheist and females that bad?
Why is UGLE recognition so important if it isn't a superior lodge?
There was once a member here who went through some of these degrees.
One now-banned mason was especially harsh towards him.
According to some posts in this forum, the Scottish Rite in the US gives out degrees 4 to 32 over a weekend. Would you call them "degree peddlers"?
You seem to be looking down on the Rites of Memphis. Aren't their goals to make better people? Are the goals that different from mainstream Masonry? Is accepting Atheist and females that bad?
Why is UGLE recognition so important if it isn't a superior lodge?
There was once a member here who went through some of these degrees.
One now-banned mason was especially harsh towards him.
reply posted on 11-3-2008 @ 12:43 PM by pacificwind
reply to post by ConspiracyNut23
Of course, you assume - yet again - that simply because something is not masonic in the traditional sense, that I must look down on them. People are free to start societies they call masonic, even though they are not (by the traditional recognition definition). It makes no difference to me, and as long as nothing illegal is going on (and I do not think anything is) I have no problem with the existence of Memphis-Misiram. I am agnostic to the existence of the organization.
Degree peddlers are not something at all that has to be looked down upon. Some do, I don't care either way. Why? Because it doesn't bother me personally. If people want to buy degrees, then more power to them.
I certainly think M-M is a good organization to study, if anything because of the excessive ritual laying around.
[edit on 11-3-2008 by pacificwind]
Of course, you assume - yet again - that simply because something is not masonic in the traditional sense, that I must look down on them. People are free to start societies they call masonic, even though they are not (by the traditional recognition definition). It makes no difference to me, and as long as nothing illegal is going on (and I do not think anything is) I have no problem with the existence of Memphis-Misiram. I am agnostic to the existence of the organization.
Degree peddlers are not something at all that has to be looked down upon. Some do, I don't care either way. Why? Because it doesn't bother me personally. If people want to buy degrees, then more power to them.
I certainly think M-M is a good organization to study, if anything because of the excessive ritual laying around.
[edit on 11-3-2008 by pacificwind]
reply posted on 11-3-2008 @ 10:36 PM by chromatico
Apparently this Rite is connected with the Ancient and Primative Rite, I can't
figure out precisely how.
reply posted on 6-4-2008 @ 10:57 AM by 7ringladder
You have no idea what you are talking about & your statement is disenfranchised misinformation. Memphis Misraim is regularly practiced by over 14
regular mainstream jurisdictions recognized by the UGLE as well as the state Grand Lodges in the USA.
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reply posted on 30-5-2008 @ 08:20 AM by Masonic Light
Not sure how I missed this one. I've long been interested in these two Rites.
In Italy, under Garibaldi who was Grand Hierophant of the Oriental Rite of Memphis and Grand Praemonstrator of the Egyptian Rite of Mitzraim, the two Rites were merged into a new on called "Memphis-Misraim". This did not happen in all places, and some branches of the Rite(s) are more regular than others (for example, several organizations in South America calling themselves "Memphis-Misraim" admit females, while others admit atheists as well).
In the United States, both Rites were officially tabled back in the 1920's. At that time, Ill. Bro. Harold Van Buren Voorhis, 33°, 97°, 90°, who served as Grand Hierophant of Memphis and Grand Praemonstrator of Mitzraim for the United States, called a meeting of the Sovereign Sanctuary of Memphis, who unanimously voted to table both Rites. The Sovereign Sanctuary then abandoned its formal title, and adopted a new name, the Grand College of Rites of the United States. This is the only regular body in the USA with control over the degrees of Memphis and Mitzraim, along with other defunct Rites.
In Italy, under Garibaldi who was Grand Hierophant of the Oriental Rite of Memphis and Grand Praemonstrator of the Egyptian Rite of Mitzraim, the two Rites were merged into a new on called "Memphis-Misraim". This did not happen in all places, and some branches of the Rite(s) are more regular than others (for example, several organizations in South America calling themselves "Memphis-Misraim" admit females, while others admit atheists as well).
In the United States, both Rites were officially tabled back in the 1920's. At that time, Ill. Bro. Harold Van Buren Voorhis, 33°, 97°, 90°, who served as Grand Hierophant of Memphis and Grand Praemonstrator of Mitzraim for the United States, called a meeting of the Sovereign Sanctuary of Memphis, who unanimously voted to table both Rites. The Sovereign Sanctuary then abandoned its formal title, and adopted a new name, the Grand College of Rites of the United States. This is the only regular body in the USA with control over the degrees of Memphis and Mitzraim, along with other defunct Rites.
reply posted on 30-5-2008 @ 10:18 AM by Masonic Light
reply to post by sandman692
When you get into the Rites, most of the so-called "higher degrees" are conferred at the same time. Especially in Memphis and Mitzraim, where they just took you aside, pronounced you 94°, and then gave you the manuscripts to study. The 95° and higher were honorary and/or administrative.
The Grand College of Rites no longer confers these degrees per se, but they are available for study to the general membership.
When you get into the Rites, most of the so-called "higher degrees" are conferred at the same time. Especially in Memphis and Mitzraim, where they just took you aside, pronounced you 94°, and then gave you the manuscripts to study. The 95° and higher were honorary and/or administrative.
The Grand College of Rites no longer confers these degrees per se, but they are available for study to the general membership.
reply posted on 31-5-2008 @ 03:15 AM by Fire_In_The_Minds_of_Men
Originally posted by TheBorg
Just noticed that 20 and 35 are the same... Is this supposed to happen?
OP is correct that the 20th degree, is Knight of the Temple; however, the 35th, should read: Sublime Commander of the Temple.
If you read French, there's a good write-up at the French wiki entry:
fr.wikipedia.org...
An extremely good English destination on the web, is:
McBean and Gabirro, A Complete History Of The Ancient And Primitive Rite (2002)
[edit on 31-5-2008 by Fire_In_The_Minds_of_Men]
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