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Why couldn't dissident sites and dissident radio shows be taken down in their infancy?

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posted on Mar, 10 2008 @ 10:43 PM
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OK, in the Soviet Union, if someone started slandering Stalin or the Soviet regime, say on radio, then the KGB dealt with that literally in minutes. Dissidents were NOT allowed to get support.


So, Alex Jones started his ratio show 20-something years ago. Could they NOT have taken it down first day?

Infowars.com, ATS, raven1.net, just to name a few, were started a while ago. Couldn't the CIA/FBI take those site down BEFORE they gained popularity?


Of course, take down infowars NOW, and people are suspicious. They will be convinced something is indeed going on. But take it down on the first day, and only a dozen people will see it. A dozen people will TRULY know something is going on, but if they try informing the masses, they will be eliminated.


If Alex Jones stops airing, very many people will question WHY.


Had it been taken down first 5 minutes, people would not know of it.



Or maybe Alex started mellow, and then moved into the important stuff.



Or maybe the plan was to ridicule it, but isn't it easier just to KILL the damn show than spend countless hours trying to laugh it off?



But, of course, I could be wrong.




posted on Mar, 10 2008 @ 11:00 PM
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You must see, they didn't think the internet would be a problem, it wasn't in the "Dictators play book".

They were forced to demonize the internet.......kiddy porn, people stealing identities, crazy internet "liberal bloggers" ect ect ect. MSM has spent much effort on this stuff, and it has worked in brainwashing many many people, mostly of the baby boomer generation and older.

Luckily there is a pretty good growing section of the populace that is wise to it. We are the aware, and the kink in the entire NWO plan.

The NWO is successfully pissing off people left and right with their jack booted tactics, and I believe they are getting desperate, and on the brink of failure.

Iraq has not gone smoothly at all, neither has the Afgan theater.


They will be forced to declare Martial Law in order to shut down the internet at this point, and there are so many people that will fight them at that point that we actually have a rifleman's chance.



posted on Mar, 10 2008 @ 11:16 PM
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They will be forced to declare Martial Law in order to shut down the internet at this point, and there are so many people that will fight them at that point that we actually have a rifleman's chance.




Well, martial law will NOT happen until 2nd amendment is ERADICATED!



posted on Mar, 11 2008 @ 12:57 AM
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They might end up having to declare martial when they attempt to repeal the 2nd.



posted on Mar, 11 2008 @ 08:27 AM
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Uhh, why remove dissident tv and radio when it A) only reaches a small audience B) is seen as rediculous to the larger percentage of the population and C) many of those dissident programs are probably rife with misinformation.

It was once said, that the US is the most successfully repressed nation on the planet. Not the most brutally repressed, successfully repressed. The repression is successful because all it takes is a push of a button on the remote, rather then a deathsquad.

Finally, there are very few dissident programs in north america that offer actual change and counter-opinion. Very few, if any, anarchists, socialists, or communists get any equal time on the airwaves or TV.

Why shut down Alex Jones when he is hardly a real threat to the social order of capital accumulation?



posted on Mar, 11 2008 @ 06:57 PM
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Originally posted by InSpiteOf
Why shut down Alex Jones when he is hardly a real threat to the social order of capital accumulation?




Well, actually, Alex Jones is doing a great job exposing the Elite and, thanks to him, the 9/11 Truth Movement is gaining momentum. Could the Movement not have been killed first day?


And as for the damage he does, it is HE who drew Bilderberg Group into the MSM spotlight. Thanks to him, millions of people are waking up. And thanks to the disclosures, public deception and false flags just got harder to pull.



So, Alex Jones is quite a pain in the @$$ to the Elitists.



posted on Mar, 11 2008 @ 07:05 PM
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i agree...take off the air, rush limbaugh, sean hannity, and mike savage, and we just wouldn't have so much fear out there.



posted on Mar, 11 2008 @ 09:48 PM
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Well, actually, Alex Jones is doing a great job exposing the Elite and, thanks to him, the 9/11 Truth Movement is gaining momentum. Could the Movement not have been killed first day?
And as for the damage he does, it is HE who drew Bilderberg Group into the MSM spotlight. Thanks to him, millions of people are waking up. And thanks to the disclosures, public deception and false flags just got harder to pull.
So, Alex Jones is quite a pain in the @$$ to the Elitists.


Really, he has done so much? I doubt it, you know why? because history is on my side. Anyone who was actually a thorn in the side of the super rich, the policy decider's, ends up dead. Killed by some loner gunman that had no attention to any social causes until that day. Dont believe me? Martin Luthor King, Malcom X, John F Kennedy. Three people dedicated to returning power back to the people it belonged tool; Three people who actually gathered massive groups of people in the name of democracy; Three people who were all assassinated.

Alex Jones was NOT the first to expose elitist societies like Bilderberg Tri-lateral commission, The CFR, Carlyle groups etc, there are plenty of leftist writers and political scientists that have done that in the past.


As for your claim "thanks to him, millions of people are waking up", how many people listen to AJ? Millions? Doubtful.

As I said, AJ deals specifically in random conspiracies and does little to actually challenge establishment policy. When has he produced a critical analysis of US foreign policy? When has he produced a critical analysis of US foreign relations? Where is his attention really focussed? (RATINGS!)

Is AJ beneficiary to the cause, maybe. Depends on what rant and rave he feels like screeching into the mic this week. But ultimately, those who are truly in the way end up dead, or better yet, disappear without a trace.



posted on Mar, 11 2008 @ 10:53 PM
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No, not millions, hundreds of thousands. And he keeps us up-to-date in the War on Freedom. He reveals elitists' agendas through moles in the Bilderberg conferences. He made ENDGAME, which is gathering popularity, RATING, exposing the Agenda. With so many tactics exposed, it gets hard to pull a false flag. And as for killing Jones, that would be kind of hard. You see, he started out slow, as your average radio host. Only after a while did he move into conspiracies, and the Elite ridiculed it, thinking it was not going to be a problem. But the Alex Jones movement got out of control. Let's see them kill Jones, more people will be convinced something is wrong. At the very least, i think they're pissed but can do nothing because action involved too much media attention.


And Jones was wise. Putting himself in the spotlight DAILY, if he "disappears", people will begin to suspect.


In summary, Jones started slow, gained momentum, was ridiculed, called a nut, but is now out of control and a serious threat.



Also, does he get death threats? I thought he did.



posted on Mar, 12 2008 @ 07:23 AM
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Originally posted by thetruth777
No, not millions, hundreds of thousands.


So lets be liberal and say those that constantly listen to him, or even listen to him moderately, total about 300,000 people (in the US, again, im being liberal with my estimate) With a population of 301,139,947 (Source) thats still only 0.9962% (rounded) of the population "waking up because of AJ" Thats less than one percent! Even if AJ is gaining momentum and more listeners, he will be dead (from natural causes) long before he even reaches the 50% mark.



And he keeps us up-to-date in the War on Freedom.


Does he? Did he report on the CIA involvement in Angola or Mozambique during the Yugoslav war, or did he soley report on the Yugoslav front? Did he report about the CIA involvement in Haiti during the Afgan issue (the lastest one)?

Why do I ask you this? Because the war on freedom extends far past the borders of the US. To be sure, he does report on some local (US) issues effecting rights movements, but I doubt he nails them all, or all the important ones.



He reveals elitists' agendas through moles in the Bilderberg conferences.


See, I have a hard time believing this. "The Elites" Just dont talk openly at Bilderberg about their lastest scheme; Its a closed door conference inside and out. SO unless one of "the elite" is betraying their own kind (friggin unlikely) its BS.


exposing the Agenda.


What agenda is that? What is the end goal? How will it be accomplished? With what policies? How will they be enforced? Such questions should be easy to answer if AJ has already provided you with the information.



With so many tactics exposed, it gets hard to pull a false flag.


So because one has yet to be defined and called a "false flag" you believe Aj has succeeded? If not, then how exactly do you know its so hard for the "them" to pull one off?



And as for killing Jones, that would be kind of hard. You see, he started out slow, as your average radio host. Only after a while did he move into conspiracies,


People dissappear all the time, famous or not. On one hand, you believe in a very powerful cabal of elite world movers and shakers, that have every intelligence agency at their beck and call. And on the other, you believe AJ is so powerful, those same "elite" with all their resources couldnt possibly do anything to hurt him. See the contradiction?



and the Elite ridiculed it,


"The Elite" are always listening, always watching, for people that see through the propaganda and the lies. You dont think they could have predicted his rise, with all the multi-million dollar think tanks?


Let's see them kill Jones, more people will be convinced something is wrong. At the very least, i think they're pissed but can do nothing because action involved too much media attention.


So what? So less than 1% of the US population will be convinced something is wrong with the way AJ died, how does that help? Those same people wont be able to prove a damn thing, and even if they can, "the elite" is pretty much an unnamed group of people, faceless, shadows behind shadows. And those that do their dirty work are even more invisible than their masters. Who would you hold accountable or criminally responsible for his death?

No one, thats who, and the movement will die out slowly untill the next AJ rises and talks about the same issues, while nothing is done about them.

Its all cyclical, this has happenned before (although, not as extreme. especially with the high tech we have now)



And Jones was wise. Putting himself in the spotlight DAILY, if he "disappears", people will begin to suspect.


Again, so what?



Also, does he get death threats? I thought he did.

"The elite" dont threaten, they take action. Your dead before you hear the shot.

To paraphrase my favorite author, Dr. Michael Parenti:

Alex Jones says what he likes, because "They", like what he says. He doesnt know he wears a leash because he sits by the peg all day.

Look, im not trying to be a hardass, Id just like to see the younger generation take a step back from AJ, and boarden their perspective a little. Find others that are dedicated to teh struggle for social justice through democratic actions, there are many of us around.

[edit on 12-3-2008 by InSpiteOf]

[edit on 12-3-2008 by InSpiteOf]



posted on Mar, 12 2008 @ 08:47 AM
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Sure, they could take down the websites and come up with a believable excuse as to why Alex Jones doesn't broadcast anymore. Put him on a plane that gets shot down, have him involved in a random shooting, kill him in a car wreck. Only a small percentage of people would suspect something.

There are countless ways to get rid of the guy and make it seem legitimate.

Nobody is trying to do it because he's just a fool or an intelligent con artist on a megaphone/website shouting a skewed interpretation of reality.

Nobody cares. At all. (except those addicted to conspiracy)



posted on Mar, 12 2008 @ 05:32 PM
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So lets be liberal and say those that constantly listen to him, or even listen to him moderately, total about 300,000 people (in the US, again, im being liberal with my estimate) With a population of 301,139,947 (Source) thats still only 0.9962% (rounded) of the population "waking up because of AJ" Thats less than one percent! Even if AJ is gaining momentum and more listeners, he will be dead (from natural causes) long before he even reaches the 50% mark.




Hang on...



I thought 5-10% of the ppl were aware of the Agenda...



And Jones contributed quite a bit to the mass awareness.



posted on Mar, 13 2008 @ 06:58 AM
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Originally posted by thetruth777
Hang on...
I thought 5-10% of the ppl were aware of the Agenda...
And Jones contributed quite a bit to the mass awareness.


Uh huh, and where did you get that figure from? When was the national survey done and how big of a sample group was used? Or is this one of those unverifyable figures?

Even if it is acurate, assuming my original numbers relating to AJ are right, he did very little to contribute to the overall awareness.

So, it seems like its time to back your facts up.

Edit to add: Are you planning on addressing the rest of my post?

[edit on 13-3-2008 by InSpiteOf]



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