Hillary Clinton and the Height of Hubris

Hillary Clinton has taken hubris to a new level. She has been out there recently claiming that Barack Obama could very well be her running mate, should she win the nomination.

Could somebody please sit her down and explain that Obama is the front-runner and it is all but mathematically impossible for her to catch up?

Could someone please take the kool-aid out of her hands and explain to her that in a democracy, when a candidate is behind in the popular vote and states won, that means they are in no position to dictate anything.

The Hillaroids are convinced (in the Rovian vein) that if they say something everyone will suddenly believe it! Someone should give Hillary some smelling salts, stat. She is clearly in need of some oxygen.

Her hubris and conceit knows no bounds.

Thankfully, Obama is putting that possibility to rest as forcefully as he can.

He might wanna add, "KEEP DREAMING."

If I were advising Obama, I would warn him to absolutely avoid any joining of their campaigns. That would be a disaster for him and for the country. Hillary is the last person on earth he needs on his ticket.

I, for one, would not vote for a ticket with her on it; as much as I support Obama. That would just kill it for me.

And McCain would win. Take that to the bank.

IMO Hillary showed here true colours when she flip flopped on the issue of the primary votes that wouldn't count due to party rules being broken. Everything I have learnt points to the fact that the US isnt a democracy and never has been. You have a democracy when minor elements of the population can control the country's future.

The only way to change this is to reform the US political system . If you would like list of topics and podcasts on this matter U2U me.

Cheers xpert11.

The Hillaroids are doing everything in their power to change the rules of the game mid-way thru the game.

They are desperate.

It's sort of obscene, but then again these are Clintons we're talking about.

If you want the beginning of real change, vote for Obama.

If Obama wins, the machine loses (for now).

Considering the fact I'm not an American me voting in US elections would take voter fraud to new heights. I have to say that I doubt that Obama could bring about any real change because the establishment is so well entrenched . If he is elected he will need good handlers. I am sure that Capital Hill would like nothing better then to chew and spit out someone like Obama for breakfast .

Originally posted by xpert11
I have to say that I doubt that Obama could bring about any real change because the establishment is so well entrenched . If he is elected he will need good handlers. I am sure that Capital Hill would like nothing better then to chew and spit out someone like Obama for breakfast .

As if he would be the first president come to town...

If Obama wins the nomination, he will have beaten half the "entrenched establishment." A year ago, 80 percent of the people watching scoffed at that possibility.

If Obama wins the nom and beats McCain, he is a powerhouse (a man with a mandate).

Men who have come into office with that kind of mandate have been agents of change. Think: Abe Lincoln, FDR, Kennedy, Reagan.

Obama can handle the swamp dwellers.

Since I don't rate McCain electability very highly I don't think that Obama winning the election would be that special from a purely political point view. Of course being the first black man elected to the Oval Office but that is a differnt matter .

Under the circumstances balancing the books and healing the deep partisan divide that is tearing America apart would be expectational . Bringing about a sea change like Reagan and FDR did would be special . I would be happy to be in the wrong in this case the US could sure do with a sea change after eight years of Bush.

I don't think Barack Obama is the second coming of Christ, but I do believe he can do things neither Clinton nor McCain could do. Like real change. Change in direction. Change in philosophy. Change in ever way. Change in the way folks engage in the electoral process.

He can reach out to voters that will never be receptive to Clinton, or McCain.

That alone is more important than most can imagine.

I understood what you meant about Obama bringing change.

What kind of changes do you think Obama could bring about to the US electoral process ?

Cheers xpert11.

I think Obama would change the entire paradigm to fit with today's realities. I don't think Clinton or McCain are equipped for that.

Obama can get people on the other side of aisle to work with him because he does not approach them with hatred (due to their party affiliation). He approaches Repubs with the idea that 'we all have ideas; let's throw them out and see which ones are best. He doesn't fear so called competition. He embraces good idea, regardless of where they came from.

That approach would be a nice change of pace in governance.

Obama would change everything. At least on the surface. But in time, I think he could make some truly needed, serious course adjustments in our foreign and domestic policies.

And that's not to even mention how cool it would be to have an African American president. Not to sound immature, but can you imagine how that would affect an entire generation of young african americans? Obama would tell black kids everywhere that they too are included in the American dream. Call me silly, but I think that would be a great new chapter in our American history.

By the electoral process I thought you were meant the US political system itself still you made a very good post. If the moderate arm the Republican party wills the internal idealogical struggle for the party we could bi partisan co operation on the likes of health care . Having been at the helm for twenty years the right wing element of the Republican party wont want to give up control .

The deep partisan divide suits both sides while people are bricking they are asking questions of the US political system or questioning the existence of corporate socialism.

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I truely hope you're right, ECK, I really do. Don't forget, however, that he is an entrenched part of Chicago politics in Illinois. If he forgets which side of the bread his butters on, someone will gently remind him...

Having said that, I still hope you're right. Personally, barring some form of miscue on his part, actual or manufactured, I think he's got a better than even chance of taking the White House. Should he do so, I'll wish him well, pray for his safety, and thank god it's not a Clinton, again.



[edit on 11-3-2008 by seagull]

That’s one of the things I’ve been saying for a while now. Thank God it looks like we can avoid another Clinton.

I’ve said this in numerous threads before, but I’ll say it again. I disagree with Obama on more issues than I do with McCain, although I don’t particularly want either one of them in office. However, having said that, I do think that if a Democrat has to win the white house, I could stomach Obama much easier than Clinton.

While I disagree with some of his ideas, I do believe at heart he is a genuine person who means well and really does want the best for this country. On the other hand, you have Hillary Clinton, who wouldn’t hesitate to sacrifice the majority of citizens for whatever political expediency she is looking for.

So if I have to take one, I would much rather it be Obama. Also, who knows, he could turn out to be alright.

(I just said that didn't I?)

[edit on 11-3-2008 by nyk537]

No matter who wins the election (other then Mrs. Clinton), I will try my darndest to support them, even if I don't vote for them. Isn't that our duty as citizens to at least give the poor bastard a chance? The jobs hard enough without a bunch of blow hard know nothings making things harder than they have to be.

Heck, I'll even give Clinton at least a short grace period.

I'm sure they're all sweating my approval, lol.

Good and nice thoughts all the way around.

I think that shows that Barack Obama has the best chance of picking up voters from across the spectrum.

I think we can all agree, that inability is Hillary's greatest disability.

Barack rocked Mississippi tonight. HOOWAH. Let's see how the Hillaroids spin that.

For the sake of the Democratic party's chance for winning the White House, will they pressure Hillary to bow out, already?

EastCoastKid that is a very worthy question.
IMO some of Obama supporters in the party may try to talk Hillary into dropping out of the race. I rate the odds of Hillary dropping out of the race as next to nothing . Hillary and Bill will continue to use there political connections and work the Superdelegates .

Once again I would like to be wrong but I think that Hillary will steal the show at the convention .

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There is no way she's going to bow out. She has way too much vested in her efforts to get the White House.

She wants that power so bad she can taste it, and she'll do anything, short of murder I hope, to get it.

Too many Clintonoids are in positions of power in the party. I expect some form of shenanigans or downright fraud during the convention. Don't be surprised if she winds up with the nomination...god forbid.

At this point, I highly doubt the SuperDelegates are gonna cross the will of the voters. The noises they're making is that they will probly go the way of the popular vote.

Cue the grim music for the Clinton campaign.

The truth is, members of the establishment don't really like Hillary all that much.

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Thing is, she's deluded herself into thinking she's as popular as her husband...and that she'll be teflon coated like he was.

It'll be totally unsurprising if she somehow convinces the SD's to go over to her. Is she willing to prostitute herself to that extent? We shall see, what we shall see.

Originally posted by seagull


It'll be totally unsurprising if she somehow convinces the SD's to go over to her. Is she willing to prostitute herself to that extent? We shall see, what we shall see.

Sadly, I think yes.

I've said for many years the Clintons are nothing more than whores for power.

Originally posted by nyk537


So if I have to take one, I would much rather it be Obama. Also, who knows, he could turn out to be alright.

(I just said that didn't I?)

Yah, I heard that.

I think Barack Obama would make a great president; but, I have no illusions. The next president, whoever it is, will face herculian problems. And everything that occurs from the time they are sworn in, will be their success or failure. That means the war. If Obama takes office, the right will pin every last military failure on Obama, though it was their man who got us into all this.

I've been studying Obama for a couple years now, and everything I've seen tells me he is made up of all the essential elements it takes to be a great leader. As a person, in certain ways, of all the presidents, Obama reminds me of Lincoln and of Reagan.

Take that McCain!