Global Warming - One Of The Biggest Lies Every Told., page 1

If you go to the popular search engine and type in "define: global warming" you get to see a page much likethis. I will quote here from the above source, "an increase of the earth's temperature by a few degrees resulting in an increase in the volume of water which contributes to sea-level rise." So by definition global warming is when the planet heats up and due to this the sea-level rises.

This has always baffled me on how such a problem can simply arise, no massive for warning, one minute were fine, next were not. Then i started to think like an ATS member, i started to think that maybe were not getting told the whole truth here, and from that thinking I'm going to show you the real truth behind global warming.

"Scientific research through U.S. Government satellite and balloon measurements shows that the temperature is actually cooling - very slightly - .037 degrees Celsius".

The above quote is a direct quote from a page from the APC, which is The American Policy Centre. These guys and gals are pretty darn clever and should be listened too.

The main points that people such as Al Gore and Leonardo Dicaprio bring up is that the polar ice caps are melting and that the earth is warming up, hence the named global warming. Polar ice caps could be melting because we produce too much toxins and so forth, alternatively it could be due to the fact that we are at the end of a ice age, this would make the ice melting a little...obvious. As for the earth warming up, i believe my previous quote rattles that theory a little.



The above image is one i came about when researching Nibru, but it did show me that around every 26 million years there is a massive 'Reset' on Earth. But when is the next one....well its around about now, give or take 1 million years. Now periodic mass extinctions like that don't just happen, there can be many ways of it happening. Such as massive weather shift as in and ice age, super volcano erupting, planet becoming hurricane ally; Theres alot of explanations. I'm not trying to change your minds on Global warming, I'm just showing you a few points from over the fence.

Don't get me wrong i admire the politicians and scientists for sticking with this till its soon to come death. I suppose that it is a great excuse for such tings like 'Green tax' or the new 'Gas guzzlers tax'. Here in the UK there are expected to be more tax for global warming very soon in Alistair Campbell's upcoming budget report. There have been many lies told by governments to its people to maintain power for governments or individuals, but i truely belive that this lie is going to be made public very soon, top ranking scientists are starting to shout out against it now.

Well, what you think ?

Fox

reply to post by traderonwallst

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If it is normal heating and cooling cycles with a different name then is not a lie.

If I call Mary you do not become a lie, you are just being identified with a different name (unless your name is Mary).

And shouting does not help.

reply to post by PeaceUk

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Unfortunately, the tendency is not of a rise in rainfall, its a rise in the strength of the rain; it rains less often but when it rains it rains more and with larger rain drops, and that also has a negative effect, it washes away the soil, leading to desertification.

"the majority of scientific literature"

I find that statement to be evidence of the degree at which Al Gore and his buddies manipulate the facts. Ironic as they go along accusing everyone else of doing the same.

Check out these, then see just how strongly your "indisputable evidence" stands up. Also, actually take the thing in with an open mind, do not simply glance at it and cry "canard" like our certain nameless and hypocritical friend has done. Interesting as (s)he was the same one who I seem to recall eventually "running out of time" while hopelessly attempting to debate "those lies".

epw.senate.gov...

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reply to post by Indy

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Which government organisation is the IPCC a special interest branch?

The tax status was already there in their statement, after the "privately funded" and before the "grassroots action and education foundation", that was the only reason I posted.

And if satellite data is what shows the trend in the temperatures then we should use that instead of press releases and other things like that.

reply to post by SlyCM (work)

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Show me the money man. Are you serious? Senator Inhofe's web bog is the evidence you are going to show me? The mega-denier himself? One bad link to a single bad REFERENCE where the crony of a mega-denier states that new data coming out is contrary to the standard (AGW) means very little, I would go so far as to say NOTHING. Like I said I am going to go with the MAJORITY view on this.

For how desperately some of you want to prove global warming has NOTHING to do with humans you surly do not provide any compelling evidence to support your theories.

Know this, the day that there is reasonable evidence to support that human are not playing a big part in global warming I will BELIEVE. The difference between myself and some of the deniers on th board is that I am willing to listen to reason and accept the assumed facts as science presents them.

Originally posted by ArMaP

It does not matter if in some place we have more or less cold days, the global warming is supposed to be the rising of the average temperature of the whole planet, not of a specific country or region.

Hi,

I'm new to posting here but have been a reader for quite some time. I just wanted to respond to this idea. Believe me, I'm not trying pick on ArMaP, or any individual poster. It's just that this idea is very central to the whole GW debate and it may be very misunderstood. I've seen it debated many times, and today I just decided to add my ideas to the mix.

Is there really a true average global temperature?

Danish physicist Bjarne Andresen has raised the interesting point that there may be no global warming, because there is no such thing as global temperature! That is because the earth atmosphere is not a homogeneous system. It's not a glass lab jar in your high school physics lab.


Says Andresen,
"It is impossible to talk about a single temperature for something as complicated as the climate of Earth. A temperature can be defined only for a homogeneous system. Furthermore, the climate is not governed by a single temperature. Rather, differences of temperatures drive the processes and create the storms, sea currents, thunder, etc. which make up the climate."(Italics added.)

Please read the whole article, it's not very long, and it might make you think in a different way.

www.americanthinker.com...


There are other, even more simple concepts related to "average global temperature". Are there enough data collection points spaced at the appropriate locations to produce a representative number?

Are the data collecting devices properly maintained, and protected with stringent scientific method controls?

I think these are valid questions since this magical number of "average global temperature" is the only indicator of whether there is warming or cooling occuring.

Additionally, The average global temperature is most certainly not a static value. It must always be in flux. Whats is the natural frequency of the flux?

Will we all panic as much as we are now when it appears the world is cooling?

Personally, I'd prefer warmer vs. cooler.

Thanks for listening to my rambling ideas.

[edit on 3/12/2008 by RGReventlov]

[edit on 3/12/2008 by RGReventlov]

reply to post by RGReventlov

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You (and the article you posted shows it) may be right, we may be fooled by the way the measurements are made, by the formula used and by the lack of data, but what I was trying to say is that most people that deny global warming do it because:

1. They don't like Al Gore (I only saw him on TV maybe 10 or 15 times in my life, here in Portugal he is not a popular person).

2. They don't think in global and average (whatever that may mean) terms, they think only about their town, their area or their country, forgetting the rest of the planet, which includes large uninhabited areas.

3. They focus on the human origin of global warming and, because they think that our influence is null or negligible (and they may be right) they think that global warming does not exist.


I don't really know if the Earth is heading for a global warming, but what I do know is that the effects (reducing of glaciers, death of animals and plants that live in colder regions, lessened effects of the winter on the fauna and flora, etc.) of what appears to be a global warming have been happening for some time.

Originally posted by RGReventlov
....It's just that this idea is very central to the whole GW debate and it may be very misunderstood. I've seen it debated many times, and today I just decided to add my ideas to the mix.

Is there really a true average global temperature?

Danish physicist Bjarne Andresen has raised the interesting point that there may be no global warming, because there is no such thing as global temperature!....

...Personally, I'd prefer warmer vs. cooler.

I think it was a pretty naff article really, just more obfuscation from the obfuscators.

Anyway, you'll be happy to hear...

Our analysis concerns only temperature anomalies, not absolute temperature. Temperature anomalies are computed relative to the base period 1951-1980. The reason to work with anomalies, rather than absolute temperature is that absolute temperature varies markedly in short distances, while monthly or annual temperature anomalies are representative of a much larger region. Indeed, we have shown (Hansen and Lebedeff, 1987) that temperature anomalies are strongly correlated out to distances of the order of 1000 km. For a more detailed discussion, see The Elusive Absolute Surface Air Temperature.

data.giss.nasa.gov...


[edit on 12-3-2008 by melatonin]

AGW in its current form is at least misleading on purpose

i don't know how many threads like this one i've stumbled upon, just to add a few links and tried to convince people of what should be obvious, namely that climate changes and blaming it on CO2 is just as narrow minded as believing that we could stop it, if only we tried hard enough.

it's not going to happen. wishful thinking is just that...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

besides, there are more pressing issues, with real environmental impact, pollution through toxins, overfishing, land use, with all its assorted consequences, like erosion, soil depletion and deforestation. of course, adressing these does not yield a free (subsidized) lunch for the corp's, like biofuels do and the political fallout of these more trivial problems does not keep someone like AlBore in the news. saving the world... send James Bond a fairy tale of epic proportions.

feeling is no substitute for substance. people had better learn that lesson, before they're cheated out of everything and the world around them is destroyed. feeling cannot replace substance. people had better learn that lesson, before they're cheated out of everything and the world around them is destroyed by vacant-eyed herd instinct and opportunistic 'leaders' exploiting it for their own nefarious purposes.

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