Royal Order of Jesters testify about Illegal Drugs, Child Prostitution

Really? Check out Paul Bernardo.

He's inside for life.

Where do you get stuff like this? Have you actually read our ritual? For someone who says they are suspicious, you seem to not have done any research on all the PUBLICALLY AVAILABLE RITUAL.

If you had, you would notice things like this:



That comes from the CHARGE (the, "heres what you need to do now" part) of the first degree. Well now, there goes your whole "sworn to protect to the point of perjury" down the drain. I again am amazed that people just don't read the publically available ritual. If they did, it would be obvious that many of these beleifs are simply wrong.



I am always amazed with the absolutely huge amounts of power people give masons. My lodge cannot even coordinate a pancake breakfast, yet masons are somehow capable of escaping the iron hand of the law.

Rotary club members, college fraternity and sorority members are involved in every level of the process...they are the cops, detectives, doctors, district attorneys, judges, politicians. AGAIN, I ask, why are you not suspicious with them? They are charged with crimes too, you know.



But wait - didn't you just call all shriners liars, adulterers, drunks, etc.? While I am happy to see this admission, it certainly isn't consistent with your other posts. Not all masons are shriners, but all shriners are masons.



I realize its sexy to say things like "there is a dark side," but would you explain to me what this nefarious sounding verbiage is supposed to mean? I would love to see an example of any mason who has been tried and convicted of a crime who was not kicked out of all their masonic bodies, or a group of masons who did something wrong who did not have their charter revoked. Tell me, where is this "dark side "of perverting justice and unchecked corruption?

I do not know of anyone, mason or non-mason, who thinks masons are prefect. They are men, and in their capacity as men, they do bad things. But that has nothing to do with their masonic affiliation.



This is a very clear straw man attempt. Is anyone arguing that shriners are above the law, and does anyone think that, if true, these people should not be punished? No. But by making this argument, you give the illusion that someone would somehow disagree with it - but no one does.

I am not that familiar with the American legal system but it seems to me that some goverment justice people are looking into the accusations against the tour operator AND his costumers

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Since when are witnesses guilty of the crimes they witnessed?

The pure lack of logical common sense is.. astounding.

No one is being tried for anything .. they are just witnesses in a CIVIL suit of SLANDER.

I won't re-post my first post.. but all I can say is seriously... read and COMPREHEND your own source ...

EDIT: What Rockpuck said.

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Charged, tried and convicted by implication in one person's blog. Thank Carp jurisprudence in your country, mine and most of the rest of the world relies on something a tad more compelling than that kind of heresay.

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Thirded.

So when comes the donder und blitzen? This is so lacking in substance, it's ridiculous!

Mind you, his not-so-blushing bride got off light. Honestly, you have to wonder who the real brains were behind that couple.

Anyway, back to your regularly-scheduled thread

I never convicted any one, nor did i found any one guilty of any thing, like i said i am no jugde.

And they are more than "just" witnesses



In my original post there is some more information that could make it look like this is not an isolated incident but maybe something more structural.

Maybe that explains my logic a little more.

I mean, is there a pattern showing here?

Again serious accusations.

Serious accusations? Check out the bold. Who's the victim here? Personally I don't get what's wrong with prostitution. As Carlin said(cleaned up of course), "Selling is legal, sex is legal, why isn't selling sex legal?"

Also not quoted from that piece:



OK, they don't get what Carlin says either but they make the point that this isn't the norm.

Not serious at all. Just someone who made a unverifiable accusation in 1990, in an attempt to shift the blame, which is not in any way related to this case. Even in the event that there were any validity to it (and there is none - so far all we have is statements) - two events doth not a pattern make.

If an 18-year-old story qualifies as a pattern......



Operative word? Accusations. Bit of a stretch in any case

This is not just about prostitution here but also about human trafficking.
Again quite some accusations.
Serious enough for the FBI and U.S. Border patrol to look into the case.
I never get accused of human trafficking, and beeing involved in Illegal Drugs and Child Prostitution.

No one convicted, but are there more of these cases ?

I hear what you are saying, but.

Apply this logic to other legal matters and you could find yourself in a big mess very quickly.
I dont think you need examples.

And again, i dont think sex trafficking fits in your example.

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Care to stay OT? This 18-year-old case has what relevance to a slander suit in 2007? You seem to be trying to weave a web of connections that don't exist in reality.

Quite some complaint again against the jesters.

A pattern so far could be, sex orgies.
But no prosecutions.
Is this because all was slander?
Or could it be that these man are indeed so powerfull that they allways have the right friends to get them out?

Like i said i'm no judge, pretty far from one.

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Um, yeah. From your source, it's mission statement if you will:

"The American Masonic System out of Touch and Intolerate of the Present and Future of Humankind"

Could that site actually put forth anything unbiased?

Btw, I'm not a Mason. And no, I didn't play one on TV either.

I took the liberty of bolding the relevant passage. Care to enlighten how this was worth the photons to display it?



But oddly enough, the case that the OP was about was about slander, was it not? Correct me if I'm wrong but we aren't anywhere on-topic, are we?



Sure lookin' that way, Kemo Sabe!



If they were that powerful, how is it they didn't manage to avoid the stigma in the first place? Surely men that powerful should have no problem keeping something like that out of the media if it'd actually taken place? Don't you think?

It was not the only source reporting it, but maybe you have a point.

And Btw i got nothing against masons in general nor against you or any one here