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Topic started on 10-3-2008 @ 07:17 AM by jaamaan

Jesters" To Testify about Illegal Drugs, Child Prostitution?

Federal court documents filed in U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Florida, Miami Division, related to case number 07-21228, list 19 witnesses who are believed to be members of the Royal Order of Jesters (ROJ) AKA Shriners AKA Masons, who are expected to testify about fishing trips to Brazil and:

“their first hand knowledge of prostitution, minor prostitution, use of illegal drugs and/or entry into Indian reservations by Schair (plaintiff) and/or his customers.”

sandyfrost.newsvine.com...

During the initiation of new Jesters I was offered the opportunity by another fellow brother to sleep with a whore, even though I had a wife and kids waiting for me to come home. I was not strong at the time and I violated every oath I had ever taken with my wife. This did not stop at initiation. These were a constant occurrence at our Jester functions and they are a common occurrence today. The initiation practices have not changed as well. Prostitutes were offered/made available at our functions and often brothers would have sex in front of other brothers.
freemasonrywatch.org...

FBI and U.S. Border Patrol agents are investigating allegations that retired Judge Ronald H. Tills, his former law clerk and a retired police captain took the female massage parlor employee in a motor home to a gathering of members of a nationwide group called the Royal Order of Jesters.
www.buffalonews.com...

I find this very strange activities for a masons group.
From what i have been reading from some mason members i thought that masons where in it for making a better world for every one.
These news bits seem to prove the opposite.

I mean, "oral sex competitions" what is that all about ?

Is this a little special club of masons that gives all masons a bad name, or is it more wide spread?
An indication of what realy happens in their secret meetings?

burningtaper.blogspot.com...

www.rense.com...

reply posted on 10-3-2008 @ 12:38 PM by JoshNorton

Generally speaking, freemasonrywatch.org is NOT considered a credible source to cite, particularly by members of this board. But ignoring that, I'll address a few of the other things:

I take issue with Frost writing "Royal Order of Jesters (ROJ) AKA Shriners AKA Masons". It's true that to be a Shriner, you must be a Master Mason, and to be in the ROJ, you must be a Shriner. But AKA implies equivalence, when clearly ROJ is a subset of a subset of masonry, and in no way should be used to reflect on masonry as a whole. That's like saying because Ted Stevens AKA a Reublican AKA a Senator may have been involved in a gay sex scandal, the whole Legislative Branch of the US government must be into gay sex. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

But no, I don't really think you can ever take the actions of the few as being representative of the many. Should the actions of those in question cast a bad light on the Jesters? Possibly. The Shriners, perhaps. But Masonry as a whole? No.

Now, all that being said, I believe if a mason is convicted of a felony the Grand Lodge of his state may strip him of his membership, and by saying "You're not a Mason", it would mean he couldn't be a Shriner or a Jester in good standing either. It might not be a bad idea for the appropriate bodies to take such action should the allegations be proven true.

reply posted on 10-3-2008 @ 01:36 PM by SonOfTheWidow

Emperor Norton:

I think the story about Masons and underage Brazilian girls -- as well as the story out of New York yesterday involving public officials and local prostitutes -- reflects poorly not only on Jesters and Shriners, but on all Freemasons. After all, one cannot become a Mason without having supposedly been investigated by a committee of three "diligent" Masons and found "worthy." A lodge full of brothers initially voted unanimously to accept these Jesters as Masons.

Do these few Jesters represent the many? Who knows? This isn't the first time the words "Jesters" and "prostitutes" have been used in the same news story. A 1990 case in Wisconsin found this same pattern of behavior in several Jester courts across the country.

In any case, the public doesn't know or care about the difference between Jesters and Blue Lodge Masons. And the anti-Masonic conspiracy people believe, or pretend to believe, that the subsets of Masonry (York Rite, Shriners, Scottish Rite, Jesters) are actually the "higher-ups" that control the Blue Lodge Masons.

The publicity for Freemasonry isn't going to be pretty. Masons saying, "Oh, that's an isolated incident... we don't do that kind of stuff" isn't going to help, as more and more "isolated" incidents are reported. I mean, that's two in less than a week, and more will be reported.

The home lodges of these men would do well to take quick and decisive action. Masonic Code does not require a conviction in a court of law before charges of unmasonic conduct can be filed. Masons hold their own courts of inquiry, and don't have to wait for a conviction of any crime.

All this may soon hit national news. Sounds bites saying "we don't act like that -- it's just a small minority" won't hold up as more and more incidents come to light.

Widow's Son

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reply posted on 10-3-2008 @ 01:54 PM by pacificwind

And this, I think, is an example of the excitment that comes when people think they've played a successful game of "gotcha" on someone who is in anyway affiliated with the masons.

But of course, if we read the only somewhat valid source (freemasonrywatch I'm not even bothering with, its so invalid and even anti-masons on here admit it):

Of the 57 witnesses named, 19, or one third of them, are believed to be members of the Royal Order of Jesters.

Alright, lets think about this. Less than 1/2 of this group were Masons. But 100% of them were guys. Why IS it that this doesn't reflect badly on all males, since this is a case of men doing "bad stuff"? But it DOES somehow reflect badly on all masons, when portions of the group happens to be masons. The circular thinking on this amazes me.

Of course the reality is that all of these people will be booted out of their lodge. But no one is going to report that, because...well, that just isn't as much fun as thinking all masons are having drunken orgies.

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reply posted on 10-3-2008 @ 01:56 PM by earthman4

My granfather was a Jester. The prostitutes were not part of the Jesters, just typical bussinessman behaviour.

reply posted on 10-3-2008 @ 02:57 PM by jaamaan

Well i dont think that the only source posted here was freemasonwatch.

There are some more sources reporting on this story.

It might be an incident but the secrets surrounding these masons make it that i tend to believe there "can be" more to it, than i usualy do.

reply posted on 10-3-2008 @ 03:00 PM by jaamaan

Originally posted by earthman4
My granfather was a Jester. The prostitutes were not part of the Jesters, just typical bussinessman behaviour.

Typical behaviour ?

Under aged prostitutes?

You dont mean typical jester behaviour, do you ?

reply posted on 10-3-2008 @ 03:10 PM by topsecretombomb

Hang those dirty utopian sick minded yuppies!

Finally things are surfacing, pretty soon well hear different accussations regarding shriners and demolay orders. Ritual abuse is rock bottom!

reply posted on 10-3-2008 @ 04:00 PM by yankeerose

There is something wrong here. Why would the Fed's be interested in Masons all of a sudden? The charges that are leveled here may be recent, but they are old news concerning the antics of Freemasonry.

These type of parties and shenanigans have been going on for years, especially at Shriner Conventions. When I was a teenager in Duluth, MN... there were two times during the summer when my Mom would not let me go out unless I was with my big brother... the first was when the Navy came to town, and the second was when the Shriners were in town. And the Shriners were far more ill behaved than the sailors by a long shot. Not to mention that to a 15 year old girl, the Shriners were dirty old men who acted like they had just hit the Viagra mother-lode or something. And this was 30 years ago!

So why all the interest in Masons now? I wonder if this could be another case of the neocons divide and conquer strategy concerning Americans. Naw, there is something weird here... Dubya being a Skull and Bones Freemason wouldn't allow his own brethren to be persecuted..... would he?

reply posted on 10-3-2008 @ 04:51 PM by forestlady

There is no such entity as Skull and Bones Freemason. Further, Dubya isn't a Freemason. He may have gotten some sort of award, etc. but he isn't a regular Freemason and isn't considered as such.

reply posted on 10-3-2008 @ 05:12 PM by pacificwind

Oh my word, talk about fear mongering. Where to begin...

Originally posted by yankeerose
There is something wrong here. Why would the Fed's be interested in Masons all of a sudden?

I hope everyone reads the article. The feds are **not** interested in "masons." They are interested in investigating things people do as private citizens, and not in their capacity as masons. As per the usual, anytime anyone who in anyway has a masonic affiliation does something, everyone jumps on the bandwagon and pulls out the torches. Especially when people seek to only confirm their narrow viewpoint, rather than look at the MILLIONS of masons who are outstanding citizens.

Originally posted by yankeeroseThese type of parties and shenanigans have been going on for years, especially at Shriner Conventions. When I was a teenager in Duluth, MN... there were two times during the summer when my Mom would not let me go out unless I was with my big brother... the first was when the Navy came to town, and the second was when the Shriners were in town. And the Shriners were far more ill behaved than the sailors by a long shot. Not to mention that to a 15 year old girl, the Shriners were dirty old men who acted like they had just hit the Viagra mother-lode or something. And this was 30 years ago!

Nice attempt at hate mongering, but I think this represents more absurd paranoia than anything else. Watch out! Men with fezzes driving around in parades ARE DANGEROUS! Shelter your children! Also, better hide them from the military, because certainly people in the military can't be trusted at all!

I wonder what people would say if mommy kept you inside when the "black people" were around. Why, that'd be racist. But its OK to completely generalize and start hate mongering others...

Originally posted by yankeeroseSo why all the interest in Masons now? I wonder if this could be another case of the neocons divide and conquer strategy concerning Americans. Naw, there is something weird here... Dubya being a Skull and Bones Freemason wouldn't allow his own brethren to be persecuted..... would he?

Why all the interest? Good question, because there is no interest (again, please read the story). But I think it's obvious from these last statement thats your a radical that views everything with crazy-far-left-liberal colored glasses. You have every right to do so, but when your _this_ leftist its hard to take your "theories" seriously. Especially when, as forestlady just said, you clearly show you have no idea what is going on - there is no such thing as a "skull and bones freemason" and there is absolutely no (0 - zip - nada) connection between masonry and Skull and Bones.

reply posted on 10-3-2008 @ 05:38 PM by yankeerose

I'll be darned your right... Skull and Bones is the Nazi Illuminati! And George Sr. and Jr. are only rumored to be Freemasons.

Well then, the freemasons might be in big trouble then... but don't worry, they will lie under oath...

"You must conceal all the crimes of your brother Masons, except murder and treason, and these only at your own option, and should you be summoned as a witness against a brother Mason be always sure to shield him. Prevaricate [falsify], don't tell the whole truth in his case, keep his secrets, forget the most important points. It may be perjury to do this, it is true, but you're keeping your obligations, and remember if you live up to your obligation strictly, you'll be free from sin." (Edmond Ronayne, "Masonic Handbook," page 183)

reply posted on 10-3-2008 @ 05:51 PM by scientist

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aw, why the mason bashing?

that book you quoted is not an official mason text, it's just the opinion of the author. Since you want to quote a random freemason, and make it seem like his statement applies to all freemasons, do you mind if I pick any non-freemason, and apply his/her random statement to YOU?

reply posted on 10-3-2008 @ 06:16 PM by pacificwind

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I think you've pretty well exposed your agenda here. I will take up scientist's offer.

"We serial killers are your sons, we are your husbands, we are everywhere. and there will be more of your children dead tomorrow" - Ted Bundy, Serial Killer, Non-Mason

I'll be darned... all non-masons are serial murderers and want to kill my children. No wonder your mom wouldn't let you out, when the navy and shriners were around. This quote demonstrates that all non-masons are serial murders, so clearly your mom (a non-mason) was plotting to kill them all.

Behold: the consequences of your logic. Great stuff, isn't it?

reply posted on 10-3-2008 @ 06:22 PM by JoshNorton

reply to post by scientist

Not to mention that he wrote it in 1879. Masonry may be an "old man's club", most of us aren't THAT old.

reply posted on 10-3-2008 @ 06:42 PM by yankeerose

Are there any Official Freemason texts, or a Mason handbook that are available to the public? They are a secret society, and their manuals are copyrighted... so I do not think that there would be such a book that could be quoted without breaking the law.

Also, I am just telling you the way it was when the Shriners were in town. It wasn't the parades and such people were worried about... it was the drunken Shriners that were in every bar, massage parlor, and hotel in the downtown area... that's what people were concerned about. And there were hundreds of them, all in their little Ali Baba outfits raising hell...lol I guess it's hard for me to respect any organization, once you have seen them behave that way in public.

I do not hate Shriners... I just think they are racist, sexist, adulterous, liars, that think they are above the law. I came to that conclusion by observing, and working with them for years. And before you even ask... no I never met one who wasn't.

So say what you will about me, try and discredit me, do what you do best... but the truth still stands. It is MY truth based on MY experiences dealing with Freemasons both at work and socially... and there isn't anything you can do to change it.

reply posted on 10-3-2008 @ 06:50 PM by SonOfTheWidow

Yankee Rose:

Would you continue to use a John Wayne character's quotation as a sig if you knew he was a Shriner?

Widow's Son

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reply posted on 10-3-2008 @ 07:02 PM by yankeerose

John Wayne's Character in "The Shootist" was a Mason?

Are you sure?

reply posted on 10-3-2008 @ 07:03 PM by jaamaan

Originally posted by yankeerose
Also, I am just telling you the way it was when the Shriners were in town. It wasn't the parades and such people were worried about... it was the drunken Shriners that were in every bar, massage parlor, and hotel in the downtown area... that's what people were concerned about. And there were hundreds of them, all in their little Ali Baba outfits raising hell...lol I guess it's hard for me to respect any organization, once you have seen them behave that way in public.

I always wondered what these parades would mean, they do look silly.
What are they about?

Well here the parties seemed to get quite out of hand.
What i would like to know is if it is a regular thing to these people.

reply posted on 10-3-2008 @ 07:08 PM by SonOfTheWidow