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Originally posted by ilovepizza
The US always wants to be the most powerful country. If the US gets attacked or something does not go their way, they have to retaliate. They not only retaliate against the people that sinned them, but they also attack any group of people related to the sinners. A good example of that is the retaliation after 9/11. The US not only attacked Afghanistan, but they also attacked Iraq. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, but the United States felt like they had to prove no one messes with the US. The US went and took over Iraq and all of the oil. That seems like a big sin to me since Iraq did nothing to the US.
I don't think anyone can question the evilness of Saddam or the good that resulted in removing him from power over the people Iraq.
Taken from www.smh.com.au...
Over a period of a month 12 years ago, Iraqi soldiers loyal to Saddam Hussein took busloads of men, women and children - blindfolded and bound - down a dusty road outside the small town of Mahaweel.
There they pushed the people, possibly up to 3000 of them, into trenches, shot and then buried them. But one, a 12-year-old boy named Nasser, survived. The bullets missed him - twice - and he managed to crawl to a shallow end of the mass grave, where he bit through the rags that bound him.
Originally posted by ilovepizza
Yes Saddam was evil but he did nothing to the United States. The US started a war based on a lie which is a big sin.
One of the biggest exaples of when the US sinned is when the people from Europe came over to colonize the US. The European settelers used the Native Americans for their own personal gain and cared nothing about the well being of the Native Americans.
Yes 9/11 was a big sin commited against the US. We bombed and attacked an the innoccent country of Afghanistan. Terrorists were staying in Afghanistan but that does not mean we should bomb the whole country. That is a big sin bombing the whole country.
you are innocent until proven guilty
Now in war killing the enemy is not a sin,
since it is self defense, however it is a sin to kill an innocent civilian
This does not even include the war in Afghanistan, which was the country that had to do with 9/11
They were European settlers when they came to America but later became Americans
The attack on Pearl Harbor was a tragedy and a big sin Japan committed. Of course it is not any where near the multitude of the sin the US committed when they dropped two atomic bombs on Japan. It does not matter the reason behind the atomic bombs being dropped because the result was the death and injury of huge amounts of civilians.
In a speech former president Bill Clinton gave at Georgetown University, he says, ?Here in the United States, we were founded as a nation that practiced slavery and slaves were, quite frequently, killed even though they were innocent.
It was a pretty good debate. Nephra Tari did an impressive job here. Pizza put up a good fight. My vote goes to NephraTari.
Interesting debate. I failed to see NephraTari justification for using the Bible to define sin. I don't oppose using the Bible, but there are so many quotes and ways to interpret that I want to see some solid reasoning. ILP approach was numerical, and on that basis, the US has sinned more. This is a by product of being a massive superpower.
This was an interesting debate, and yes, I did enjoy reading. Good work from both of you.
It was a good debate on both sides and both should be proud, I feel that ILP just had the edge.
NephraTari allowed ilovepizza to define the debate as whether or not certain US actions were sins, and NOT the crux of her assigned position that the US is more sinned AGAINST. This allowed the definition of the "US" versus "early America" to have too much weight in deciding the debate, which ultimately went to ilovepizza. Close one though.