Sally Kern, "Gay's are Infiltrating our City Council.", page 5
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reply posted on 9-3-2008 @ 03:24 PM by JohnnyCanuck
Originally posted by cavscout
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post by JohnnyCanuck

Seems you chose to skip over my last post directed at you. Willful ignorance for you it is, then.


Ok, near as I can make out, you are telling me that in your brand of Christianity, you only really have to pay attention to part of the Bible. You know, that seems to be only true for the born-again flavour of Christians. So really, anybody can say they, alone, have the true word of God, and everybody else is going to hell with the queers and Jews and stuff. Unless, of course their God likes queers and Jews and stuff, and it's those born-agains headed for the fiery pits.

I suggest that you deal with your sins and leave other folks alone. Yours is supposed to be the god of love, but I'm really hard pressed to find a more hateful folk than Christians with a head of steam goin' on. How is that, anyway?


reply posted on 9-3-2008 @ 03:27 PM by forestlady
Originally posted by SlightlyAbovePar
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Stop, slow down and breathe. You've attributed something’s to my comments I didn't say.

My thesis is thus: she didn't say anything "fascist". Articulating an opinion - even an unpopular one - is not facist. Saying she should be silenced because you don't agree with her opinion is.

She isn't disenfranchising anyone with her comments. You're (IMO) claiming a whole lot more weight to one woman's opinion as a way to legitimize your (IMO) fascist call for her silence, while at the same time calling her a fascist for simply articulating her opinion.

She, they, them are entitled to their opinion and the electorate is entitled to representation that reflects their, locally held views. Even if we don’t agree with them.
That's all.
[edit on 9-3-2008 by SlightlyAbovePar]


Well, I don't know why you're telling me to stop, slow down and breath. I'm not upset and never said anything that implied such. Nor do I think she should be silenced simply because she disagrees with me. You have missed my point.
And she is disenfranchising an entire group of people by saying that they are "infiltrating"; it implies she doesn't want ANY gay person on the City Council. Would you feel the same way if she was calling to not have any Blacks, HIspanics or women on theCity Council?

As far as representing the will of the people: we've been through this before, as a nation. It was called Civil Rights, back in the '60's. The South was forced to integrate, in spite of the fact that most in the South didn't want to. But if it hadn't been integrated, we'd still be thinking of Blacks and other minorities as second class citizens.
I'm applying the same thinking here and that is, that bigotry has no place in a govt rep. And that is my point. These kind of people spread lies and hate and are always scapegoating someone and attempting to undermine any effort at equality. When this woman called for not having any gay person on the City Council, that is decidedly an un-American stance and it is also fascist and discriminatory.
Furthermore, teachers are not allowed to express their opinion to students, even outside of class. Many teachers have lost their jobs over that. Why should represntatives of our govt be held to a different standard, when they are supposed to be making laws for the citizens, all of the citizens?

I am about as far from fascism as a person can get. I've taken alot of heat on these boards for my liberal stances. If you knew anything about me at all, you wouldn't be calling me a fascist. I'd appreciate if you'd stop calling me names that don't apply to me.



[edit on 9/3/08 by forestlady]



reply posted on 9-3-2008 @ 03:32 PM by xmotex
reply to post by mybigunit



No that's an important point.

As much as I dislike what this woman said, she does have the right to say it.

And the rest of us have the right to speak out & condemn her for it too.


reply posted on 9-3-2008 @ 03:37 PM by Sunsetspawn
Ah, another homossssexuality thread...

wonderful.

Normally I'd just read and be entertained, but I have a little theory on this subject. I believe that people hide behind religion when it comes to voicing their opinions against homosexuality. Why do I believe this? Let's all find out together.

Reproduction is at the VERY bottom of our evolution. It is the first and most important thing that makes the very essence of a life form. Without it, life would cease to exist.
Life
In fact, it is so key that it pertains to organics that are not even considered alive, like viruses.

Human reproduction is sexual, as is much of the reproduction that occurs in earth based life. However...
Homosexuality evolved in tandem with vertebrate societies, in which a motley group of individuals has to either live together or die alone.

Seed: The Gay Animal Kingdon

So, homosexuality may be programmed in all of our DNA, even if it may lie completely dormant in 70% of us, and completely dominate 10%.

All well and good, but what about the 70%?

Here's where my brain has filled in a gap. To those whom experience zero homosexual tendancies the very thought of such completely contradicts their most basic genetic program of reproduction. Even the thought of homosexuality is a gross violation of their most basic instinct and of all instincts and congnitive thought derived from that most basic instinct. And since we are a violent species (just look around), anything that violates our prime reason for existence is going to cause fear, anger, and hate, which as we all know, leads to suffering.

Now most people have grown up with at least a small iota of religion, and religion becomes the easiest way to rationalize their attavistic abhorance. I'd go as far as to say that the concept of homosexuality could take an otherwise nonreligious person and transform them in a process that's so layered in the psyche that the new religious person that emerges has no idea why it happened.

To overcome this negative reaction to homosexuality it takes an open mind and a willingness to be more than a primative, aggressive product of evolution. We are a nasty, vile species that is prone to hatred, conflict, war, and murder, so it takes a proactive effort to overcome our natural tendancy toward aggressive, negative emotions.

I remember in my early teens I did indeed have assiduously visceral reactions to the idea of homosexuality. I had to take positive steps to overcome this as well as distancing myself from negative reinforcement.

So in conclusion, all you need is love.

Yuck, I have to get this serious taste out of my mouth. I'm going to go find a thread where I can post something in gross violation of terms of service and hopefully make a few people chuckle before I get warned.

Peace


reply posted on 9-3-2008 @ 03:39 PM by xmotex
reply to post by JohnnyCanuck



I think you're targeting the wrong guy here.

There is more than one flavor of fundamentalist Christian, not all of them believe in using the state to force their beliefs in others.

I've said it before and I'll say it again - blaming all Christians for the extremists is like blaming all Muslims for terrorism.

As long as someone doesn't try to force their beliefs on me, they can believe whatever they want.


reply posted on 9-3-2008 @ 05:35 PM by marg6043
reply to post by AnAbsoluteCreation



I think that the problem with Sally kern and her followers are hidden behind the suppression of the sexual kind their type of homophobia is nothing far from racism.

Her comments are promoting segregation and hate crimes, as usual is going to be followers that will be influence in their ignorance to commit restless crimes that under their own version of self-righteousness they will see not evil but redemption.

She has forgotten in her pursue of personal misguided agendas that she as a public figure is suppose to work for the citizens right and that is not limited of people of her choosing.

She is creating antagonism and directing them to one particular group in society, she is a shame as a political leader.


reply posted on 9-3-2008 @ 05:38 PM by AnAbsoluteCreation
Originally posted by Sunsetspawn

To overcome this negative reaction to homosexuality it takes an open mind and a willingness to be more than a primative, aggressive product of evolution. We are a nasty, vile species that is prone to hatred, conflict, war, and murder, so it takes a proactive effort to overcome our natural tendancy toward aggressive, negative emotions.



Normally I am a very accepting person who likes to makes sense of all points of view. That said, your rational concerning homosexuality, and the short-sighted accusation from those that do not accept is without merit, IMHO.

From what I gather, you're comparing our animal instincts with our inability to accept what should be accepted if only we were more open-minded?

I am open-minded (peruse my threads for proof), but I think their is something more genetically esoteric happening with homosexuality. And when that esoteric "happening" effects a weak-minded person, he is left as an example of the genetic uniqueness.

Now, as with anything, the overall acceptance is based on the representatives of the cause. And unfortunately, homosexuality does not have enough positive examples to speak of. The negative ones are everywhere. i.e. Priests, Michael Jackson, Republican Senators, and Pedophiles to name a few.

And I left what was written in the bible out for obvious reasons.

"Homosexuality cannot be fully accepted until it is fully understood." - AAC



[edit on 9-3-2008 by AnAbsoluteCreation]


reply posted on 9-3-2008 @ 05:39 PM by christopher.eugene
Originally posted by TheTruthIsHere7
Hahahahahhhahahahahaha.

Gays infilitrating the council....hah....ahahahahaha......


Come on now people.

This world is filled with homosexuals like greek mythology.

Check it, don't pass judgment cos you have a homophobe problem. Let the queers be. Sorry, I'm not a homophobe. IF they want to be gay, let them be gay.

Seriouslly, we can't stop them.

Just because someone is homosexual doesn't mean that they're bad.

What about all the lesbian dyke cops on the police force?

Come on, what about GAYS IN THE MILITARY?

Gays are everywhere, it's personal choice.


Just accept it.


For the record, I didn't chose to be gay... I would never have chosen to be ridiculed, beat up, made fun of, and completely alienated for the last 21 years. This country has been like this for many, many years. Many people are very misguided when it comes to religion. I believe in myself personally. Although my whole life I've been told that it's wrong, and basically had people look at me with faces of disgust... I understand their pain... countless men in this country are gay... they have wives... children... government jobs. They hide it, and condemn others for accepting themselves because they cannot. Countless woman suspect their husbands are gay, and they again... condemn the ones who have found truth in themselves, because their husbands haven't. I'm not angry at this woman for not wanting gays on the council. She doesn't know any better. Or perhaps she knows all too well... and her distorted faith conflicts her. I suppose some are content with not evolving in their lifetime.


reply posted on 9-3-2008 @ 05:42 PM by Lucid Lunacy
More on topic, well at least how the thread evolved, I am going to post some Jesus quotes, because eveyone loves that.

I found it funny some people quoted a few passages that could be loosely interpreted as anti-gay, most of which were not actually quotes of Jesus Christ and claim it's the voice of Christ As for the Pauline and modern flavor... I think many people over looked an earlier post that showed Kings James freely and openly was bisexual.

Anyways, here is some quotes that might add a new light to this thread:

"Blessed are the peacemakers; for they shall be called the sons of God"
~ Matthew 5:9

"Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven"
~Matthew 5:10

"Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake"
~ Matthew 5:11

"This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
~John 15:12

‘"A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another"
~ John 13:34-35

“For God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. God sent his Son into the world not to judge the world, but to save the world through him. (John 3:16-17)

“Do to others whatever you would like them to do to you. This is the essence of all that is taught in the law and the prophets. (Matthew 7:12)


reply posted on 9-3-2008 @ 05:46 PM by marg6043
reply to post by Lucid Lunacy



Thanks for the verses, at last they show a side of Christianity that the preachers taking over ATS lately has forgotten in their pursue of self misguided righteousness and hell bound preaching.
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