You're confusing reproductive biology with sexual pleasure. Two VERY different subjects. Some people get off on feet. How do feet play into making
babies?
Regardless, when someone is not causing anyone else harm they must be free to live their life however they please and not be judged or condemned for
it. They have just as much right to be a city councilmember, senator, or president as anyone else.
Sally Kern, "Gay's are Infiltrating our City Council.", page 2
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reply posted on 9-3-2008 @ 11:58 AM by Astyanax
reply to post by Christian Voice
As Johnny Canuck predicted, you are in over your head.
Your Argument From Anatomy would be more convincing if not for the prevalence of homosexual behaviour among nonhuman sexual dimorphs that are similarly constructed. Not to mention the avalanche of confirmation from gay people everywhere (but then would you ever believe them, even if they swore to it on a stack of Bibles?)
The rest of your post offers a rather stale buffet of microwaved slander that has nothing to do with your claim that homosexuality is a choice.
But never mind all that: what do you think should be done about this awful woman?
As Johnny Canuck predicted, you are in over your head.
Your Argument From Anatomy would be more convincing if not for the prevalence of homosexual behaviour among nonhuman sexual dimorphs that are similarly constructed. Not to mention the avalanche of confirmation from gay people everywhere (but then would you ever believe them, even if they swore to it on a stack of Bibles?)
The rest of your post offers a rather stale buffet of microwaved slander that has nothing to do with your claim that homosexuality is a choice.
But never mind all that: what do you think should be done about this awful woman?
reply posted on 9-3-2008 @ 12:02 PM by cavscout
reply to post by forestlady
Sorry, you are wrong.
Homosexual behavior is not allowed, as per the New Testament. Instead of accusing people of being ignorant of the facts you should seek them out yourself.
“For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another...” Romans 1:26-27.
"For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine" 1 Timothy 1:10.
The Greek word used in 1 Timothy 1:10 is "arsenokoitai" and it means literally “men who sleep with men.”
There are more, no need to elaborate.
So far as being a choice, I am willing to concede that homosexual desires may not be a choice, they may be natural in some people. HOWEVER, so are heterosexual desires in others.
Heterosexuals are NOT allowed to fornicate, as per the Bible. How then do you claim that homosexuals ARE allowed to fornicate?
Sorry, you are wrong.
Homosexual behavior is not allowed, as per the New Testament. Instead of accusing people of being ignorant of the facts you should seek them out yourself.
“For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another...” Romans 1:26-27.
"For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine" 1 Timothy 1:10.
The Greek word used in 1 Timothy 1:10 is "arsenokoitai" and it means literally “men who sleep with men.”
There are more, no need to elaborate.
So far as being a choice, I am willing to concede that homosexual desires may not be a choice, they may be natural in some people. HOWEVER, so are heterosexual desires in others.
Heterosexuals are NOT allowed to fornicate, as per the Bible. How then do you claim that homosexuals ARE allowed to fornicate?
reply posted on 9-3-2008 @ 12:04 PM by apc
reply to post by Christian Voice
You are dead wrong on so many fronts it's disturbing how many people actually think that way.
It's perfectly fine if you want to believe all that hateful Biblical rhetoric. Fortunately we live in a society where no law can be made in favor or disfavor of a particular religion. You can cite fundamentalist bigotry till you're blue in the face but your ilk has no right to deny another free citizen from holding political office simply because you don't like them. If you wish to argue this point then please do so but leave the Bible out of it.
You are dead wrong on so many fronts it's disturbing how many people actually think that way.
It's perfectly fine if you want to believe all that hateful Biblical rhetoric. Fortunately we live in a society where no law can be made in favor or disfavor of a particular religion. You can cite fundamentalist bigotry till you're blue in the face but your ilk has no right to deny another free citizen from holding political office simply because you don't like them. If you wish to argue this point then please do so but leave the Bible out of it.
reply posted on 9-3-2008 @ 12:07 PM by forestlady
reply to post by cavscout
Sorry, I screwed my sentence up. What I'm saying is that Jesus never said anything against homosexuality in the NT. I read this on an FAQ from the United Church of Christ.
Sorry, I screwed my sentence up. What I'm saying is that Jesus never said anything against homosexuality in the NT. I read this on an FAQ from the United Church of Christ.
reply posted on 9-3-2008 @ 12:13 PM by forestlady
reply to post by Christian Voice
Hm, quoting from the King James Version; you are aware that King James was a bisexual?
"If there is still any doubt, it should be noted that George Villiers, also held an intimate relationship with King James, about which King James himself was quite open. King James called Villiers his “wife” and called himself Villiers' “husband”! King James died in 1625 of gout and senility. He is buried in the Henry VII chapel in Westminster Abbey, with one of his favorite male suitors on his right, and another on his left."
www.greatsite.com...
Hm, quoting from the King James Version; you are aware that King James was a bisexual?
"If there is still any doubt, it should be noted that George Villiers, also held an intimate relationship with King James, about which King James himself was quite open. King James called Villiers his “wife” and called himself Villiers' “husband”! King James died in 1625 of gout and senility. He is buried in the Henry VII chapel in Westminster Abbey, with one of his favorite male suitors on his right, and another on his left."
www.greatsite.com...
reply posted on 9-3-2008 @ 12:19 PM by themillersdaughter
reply to post by Christian Voice
Aside from the obvious ignorance some people possess about the nature of homosexuality...willfully so,it's obvious this woman is unfit to serve in public office and probably should be kept away from children, too. If she's a Christian she should (according to her dogma) submit to the authority of the nation state in which she resides which states that ALL people are created equally and ALL people have the same rights. The right to serve on the city council, the right to vote ignorant religious fanatics OUT of office....you get my drift. If she can't accept that fact, she should step down. As a matter of fact if Christians consistently believe this way perhaps they should ALL be banned from holding public office as thier ideals are contrary to the Constitiution.
Reasearch has proven, over and over and over again that children are 400 times more likely to be molested by their biological heterosexual father. Perhaps all heterosexual men should be locked up because the statistics seem to point to the fact that they are OBVIOUSLY more inclined to hurt children. Or maybe just castration?
The Bible says a lot of things, including an admonition to stone disobedient children. I HOPE you don't plan to follow bible doctrine in that sense, do you? Oh, but it's in the Old Testament...blahblahblah...cherry picking doctrine to suit your prejudicial stance is so typical.
Bible doctrine admonishes women to be silent. This woman wouldn't be allowed to have her job if this country had to follow Bible doctrine.
If you think gay people shouldn't "act gay" and I assume you mean show affection, admit they aren't heterosexual, live a validated life, you should really think about moving to a Muslim country where there are no openly homosexual people. Just be prepared to have all your human rights abrogated like you're willing to abrogate the rights of others. I sense you'd be more confortable there, as you don't seem to believe in the laws of this land and would rather live under religious law.
And trust me, your teenage neice is revelling in the attention she's getting, or she wouldn't continue to do it. She just feels funny about it, it's a new feeling. We try on all sorts of identities when we're that age, some kids are more creative than others. But don't worry, it'll pass. It's a developmental stage, unlike homosexuality -- which is in no way a choice. And I doubt she's in danger of being murdered or attacked for dressing like a Goth.
That gay Republican congressman that was hooking up in public restrooms for sex? His CHOICE was to live a lie and prosecute others for the same thing he's guilty of while choosing to PRETEND he isn't gay.
Regardless of what you believe about "pushing a gay agenda" the facts remain that far more people "push the heterosexual agenda"...you are a perfect example thinking, erroneously, that someone being gay is going to try "make " anyone else gay. What's the gay agenda? Equal rights? Those dirty birds! How DARE they expect the same rights as any other American???!
Research has concluded that children raised in gay/lesbian households are as well liked by their peers, as mentally stable and as happy with their lives as their heterosexually raised counterparts. The same research (Hyde and De Lamater, 2002) concluded that the overwhelming majority of those children eventually expressed a heterosexual orientation themselves, which means your assertion that gay people want to make other gay people is really a load of crap.
I have four brothers and two sisters. One lesbian sister and one gay brother. None of my heterosexual siblings has been able to maintain a relationship. We are all serial failures at heterosexual love. My sister has been with her lover since 1976. My brother has been with his lover since 1983. Their relationships are loving, but I couldnt tell you the way they have sex. Your assertion that all gay men have butt sex is ludicrous. As well as the assertion that lesbians use dildos. HOW do you know what they do in the privacy of their bedrooms? Or...are you speaking from experience?
Aside from the obvious ignorance some people possess about the nature of homosexuality...willfully so,it's obvious this woman is unfit to serve in public office and probably should be kept away from children, too. If she's a Christian she should (according to her dogma) submit to the authority of the nation state in which she resides which states that ALL people are created equally and ALL people have the same rights. The right to serve on the city council, the right to vote ignorant religious fanatics OUT of office....you get my drift. If she can't accept that fact, she should step down. As a matter of fact if Christians consistently believe this way perhaps they should ALL be banned from holding public office as thier ideals are contrary to the Constitiution.
Reasearch has proven, over and over and over again that children are 400 times more likely to be molested by their biological heterosexual father. Perhaps all heterosexual men should be locked up because the statistics seem to point to the fact that they are OBVIOUSLY more inclined to hurt children. Or maybe just castration?
The Bible says a lot of things, including an admonition to stone disobedient children. I HOPE you don't plan to follow bible doctrine in that sense, do you? Oh, but it's in the Old Testament...blahblahblah...cherry picking doctrine to suit your prejudicial stance is so typical.
Bible doctrine admonishes women to be silent. This woman wouldn't be allowed to have her job if this country had to follow Bible doctrine.
If you think gay people shouldn't "act gay" and I assume you mean show affection, admit they aren't heterosexual, live a validated life, you should really think about moving to a Muslim country where there are no openly homosexual people. Just be prepared to have all your human rights abrogated like you're willing to abrogate the rights of others. I sense you'd be more confortable there, as you don't seem to believe in the laws of this land and would rather live under religious law.
And trust me, your teenage neice is revelling in the attention she's getting, or she wouldn't continue to do it. She just feels funny about it, it's a new feeling. We try on all sorts of identities when we're that age, some kids are more creative than others. But don't worry, it'll pass. It's a developmental stage, unlike homosexuality -- which is in no way a choice. And I doubt she's in danger of being murdered or attacked for dressing like a Goth.
That gay Republican congressman that was hooking up in public restrooms for sex? His CHOICE was to live a lie and prosecute others for the same thing he's guilty of while choosing to PRETEND he isn't gay.
Regardless of what you believe about "pushing a gay agenda" the facts remain that far more people "push the heterosexual agenda"...you are a perfect example thinking, erroneously, that someone being gay is going to try "make " anyone else gay. What's the gay agenda? Equal rights? Those dirty birds! How DARE they expect the same rights as any other American???!
Research has concluded that children raised in gay/lesbian households are as well liked by their peers, as mentally stable and as happy with their lives as their heterosexually raised counterparts. The same research (Hyde and De Lamater, 2002) concluded that the overwhelming majority of those children eventually expressed a heterosexual orientation themselves, which means your assertion that gay people want to make other gay people is really a load of crap.
I have four brothers and two sisters. One lesbian sister and one gay brother. None of my heterosexual siblings has been able to maintain a relationship. We are all serial failures at heterosexual love. My sister has been with her lover since 1976. My brother has been with his lover since 1983. Their relationships are loving, but I couldnt tell you the way they have sex. Your assertion that all gay men have butt sex is ludicrous. As well as the assertion that lesbians use dildos. HOW do you know what they do in the privacy of their bedrooms? Or...are you speaking from experience?
reply posted on 9-3-2008 @ 12:20 PM by stikkinikki
reply to post by forestlady
That is too funny.
The teachings of Jesus should come before all others if one is to call oneself a christian. Paul wrote Romans not Jesus. The whole Bible has been changed throughout the ages to reflect the views of those that held the power to rewrite it.
No other verse should contradict the word of Jesus if indeed Jesus is the Son of God. If one holds another word higher then what religion and or faith are they really?
That is too funny. The teachings of Jesus should come before all others if one is to call oneself a christian. Paul wrote Romans not Jesus. The whole Bible has been changed throughout the ages to reflect the views of those that held the power to rewrite it.
No other verse should contradict the word of Jesus if indeed Jesus is the Son of God. If one holds another word higher then what religion and or faith are they really?
reply posted on 9-3-2008 @ 12:22 PM by cavscout
reply to post by JohnnyCanuck
That letter was written to a Jew. You look ignorant trying to apply it to Christians.
The reason that letter is so effective is that it is not applied to its intended audience, the Jews, who for the most part WOULD agree that those things are abominations and that those people should be killed, even if contemporary Jewish leaders will not often allow it.
Yet you falsely direct this letter at Christians, the majority of whom have no idea why it is a sin to follow the laws of Leviticus because Leviticus is a book of laws that have not been taught to Christians.
An understanding of the way salvation works and the relationship between Jewish law and Christian faith would help here.
The Jews were commanded to act in a certain way, to try and be perfect, righteous.
They were offered salvation based on their works.
The problem with this is that none of them can do it, they all sinned. No person can live without sinning.
So, to atone for those sins, they would offer a blood sacrifice to the Lord, yet often still held evil close in their hearts.
The Lord, recognizing all this, sent us Christ, who would become our last and perfect sacrifice.
We understand that we are sinners and imperfect. We understand that we need the sacrifice of Christ and that nothing on Earth has been more pure, more perfect.
If we tried to live by the law, to include the law in Leviticus, we would be trying to save ourselves, saying that what Christ did was not enough, that we must do something extra.
Is that what you expect of Christians, to say that Christ was imperfect and that we need to try and remain clean to make up for his imperfect sacrifice? It would be a slap in the face of our Lord and his great act! The entire passion, the betrayals, the whipping, the beatings, the mocking, the stabbings, the crucifixion, all for nothing because we feel the need to try and save ourselves by not eating certain foods and not wearing polyfabric clothing? Absurd!
Everything I said is backed up by Paul in the letter he wrote to the Romans in the New Testament of the Bible.
[edit on 9-3-2008 by cavscout]
That letter was written to a Jew. You look ignorant trying to apply it to Christians.
The reason that letter is so effective is that it is not applied to its intended audience, the Jews, who for the most part WOULD agree that those things are abominations and that those people should be killed, even if contemporary Jewish leaders will not often allow it.
Yet you falsely direct this letter at Christians, the majority of whom have no idea why it is a sin to follow the laws of Leviticus because Leviticus is a book of laws that have not been taught to Christians.
An understanding of the way salvation works and the relationship between Jewish law and Christian faith would help here.
The Jews were commanded to act in a certain way, to try and be perfect, righteous.
They were offered salvation based on their works.
The problem with this is that none of them can do it, they all sinned. No person can live without sinning.
So, to atone for those sins, they would offer a blood sacrifice to the Lord, yet often still held evil close in their hearts.
The Lord, recognizing all this, sent us Christ, who would become our last and perfect sacrifice.
We understand that we are sinners and imperfect. We understand that we need the sacrifice of Christ and that nothing on Earth has been more pure, more perfect.
If we tried to live by the law, to include the law in Leviticus, we would be trying to save ourselves, saying that what Christ did was not enough, that we must do something extra.
Is that what you expect of Christians, to say that Christ was imperfect and that we need to try and remain clean to make up for his imperfect sacrifice? It would be a slap in the face of our Lord and his great act! The entire passion, the betrayals, the whipping, the beatings, the mocking, the stabbings, the crucifixion, all for nothing because we feel the need to try and save ourselves by not eating certain foods and not wearing polyfabric clothing? Absurd!
Everything I said is backed up by Paul in the letter he wrote to the Romans in the New Testament of the Bible.
[edit on 9-3-2008 by cavscout]
reply posted on 9-3-2008 @ 12:24 PM by forestlady
reply to post by SlightlyAbovePar
She is a representative of the people and as such, she doesn't have the right to try to persecute LGBTG and run them off. If she's going to make these kind of statements, then she needs to make it very clear that she is saying these things as a private person; otherwise, people will think she is trying to create a public policy of discrimination against a group of people -which is exactly what she's done.
She is a representative of the people and as such, she doesn't have the right to try to persecute LGBTG and run them off. If she's going to make these kind of statements, then she needs to make it very clear that she is saying these things as a private person; otherwise, people will think she is trying to create a public policy of discrimination against a group of people -which is exactly what she's done.
reply posted on 9-3-2008 @ 12:29 PM by themillersdaughter
reply to post by Christian Voice
Dolphins have sex for pleasure....and a LOT of it, even mixing species so that bottle nosed dolphins end up with speckled dolphins and have hybrid offspring. They also are promiscuous and often engage in group sex. For no other reason that fun.
Here's a link that asserts 1500 species of animals have homosexual sex:
www.news-medical.net...
PS-- Deny Ignorance!
Edit for the link.
[edit on 3/9/08 by themillersdaughter]
Dolphins have sex for pleasure....and a LOT of it, even mixing species so that bottle nosed dolphins end up with speckled dolphins and have hybrid offspring. They also are promiscuous and often engage in group sex. For no other reason that fun.
Here's a link that asserts 1500 species of animals have homosexual sex:
www.news-medical.net...
PS-- Deny Ignorance!
Edit for the link.
[edit on 3/9/08 by themillersdaughter]
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