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No Health Insurance? Face Fines!

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posted on Mar, 8 2008 @ 10:30 AM
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No Health Insurance? Face Fines!


www.worldnetdaily.com

Massachusetts has begun imposing stiff fines on residents who, for whatever reason, fail to purchase health insurance.

The program is the enforcement end of the state's universal health-insurance plan – and the fees reach up to $912 a year.

The state health-insurance initiative, signed into law by former Gov. Mitt Romney, has been compared to Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton's national universal health-care plan – especially on the enforcement side.

The penalties apply to anyone deemed able to afford health insurance by the Commonwealth Health Insurance Connector Authority, the state agency that oversees the entire program.

(visit the link for the full news article)




posted on Mar, 8 2008 @ 10:30 AM
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Terrific...So this may be the next way for us to get bilked for billions, like Auto insurance. Our Health care system is already a big enough nightmare without crap like this.

www.worldnetdaily.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

[edit on 8-3-2008 by DimensionalDetective]



posted on Mar, 8 2008 @ 10:35 AM
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This is what will happen if Hillary Clinton wins the Presidency.

It's not right to make these people worse off than they were to begin with. I don't, for the life of me, know why people would want this kind of system for all of America. Pay for health insurance, or pay a fine AND pay for health insurance.

Clinton cannot win.



posted on Mar, 8 2008 @ 10:41 AM
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It doesn,t matter the tax payer always get stuck with paying the Piper one way or the other.

Either you get insurance or still going to the doctor with not insurance and have the tax payer pick up the bill.

At the end somebody is going to pay for somebody else that doesn't have insurance.

I disagree that it should be fines for the state insurance, taking into consideration that right now the economy is in a mess and people either have to pay for food or gas so insurance seems trivial at the time of making choices but when you get sick or your children get sick that is when you wish you have an insurance to take care of your family.



posted on Mar, 8 2008 @ 10:44 AM
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It gets even more insidious. Want to change jobs? You'll have to pay for the COBRA insurance, which in my case has run as high as $1200. And you'll have to do it while you are out of work. Slavery anyone?

Not to mention that insurance rates will skyrocket under this plan. There is no reason to make a thing affordable if it is illegal to say 'no, thanks'. Also, insurance companies set rates based on the expected payout. If everyone has to pay for insurance, insurance companies must insure everyone. So their cost will increase because of those who are 'uninsurable' due to the expected high cost of medical bills. Also, there will be no reason for health care institutions to reduce their costs, because there will likewise be no pressure for them to do so. More payout = higher insurance rates.

I'm actually pushing for the most liberal candidate this time: Obama. At least he wants to make insurance available rather than mandatory.

TheRedneck



posted on Mar, 8 2008 @ 10:45 AM
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OMG, just when I thought the govt couldn't get any loonier. What in the world is the reason for this? If folks can't afford insurance, they can't afford the fines. And why fine them?



posted on Mar, 8 2008 @ 11:04 AM
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Last time I checked, Clinton wanted socialized health care. That means everyone has it, for free (they pay for it in their taxes).

Don't see how what you say applies???


reply to post by forestlady
 


It says in the article:

"For people that can afford health insurance"... but for some reason or another don't.

[edit on 8-3-2008 by Sublime620]



posted on Mar, 8 2008 @ 11:08 AM
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I can tell that the prices of the insurance are way too expensive, when the Government insurance Humana is only about 600 dollars a year.

And the deductible are between 12 to 25 dollars depending on the type of plan, also medications are from 3 to 9 dollars to fill.

I think that the state have some type of arrangement with some corporate lobbyist from the insurance business to squeeze the tax payer.



posted on Mar, 8 2008 @ 11:11 AM
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Check again. It's no secret that Hillary's plan includes forced purchase of health insurance and forced insurance coverage of everyone. She's joining socialized medicine with out-of-control capitalism.

TheRedneck



posted on Mar, 8 2008 @ 11:11 AM
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Do you think they would take hot lead as a payment of a fine?


You guys are missing the big picture here, How can we be free unless the government takes away our freedom of choice? All these pesky decisions enslave us and the Government should just put us into designated areas and make all our decisions for us. Only then will we truly be free. If they MAKE us buy health insurance well than we are jsut so much more free not having to make a critical decision. If it was our choice and we made the wrong decision WHO WOULD WE BLAME? Ourselves? That's rediculous!

[edit on 8-3-2008 by Tinhatman]



posted on Mar, 8 2008 @ 11:15 AM
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Can you show a source? I'd like to read up on it. I was always under the impression she wanted socialized health care - such as what they have in Canada.



posted on Mar, 8 2008 @ 11:22 AM
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The government has no right whatsoever to force a citizen to purchase health insurance. They have no right to force anyone to purchase auto insurance, but they do it. The government is getting too powerful and it has got to stop. In essence, they are forcing us to make insurance companies rich. This has got to stop.



posted on Mar, 8 2008 @ 11:32 AM
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Lets see FICA,Medicare,Social Security & Cobra deductions from your paychecks. Exciting isn't it more money for them to take and spend on something other than what is meant for. Like our Social Security. I heard on Glenn Beck that Social Security debt was around $400,000.00 per household. Oh and we already paid it they just spent it on other things.

Next they will say we have to pay for candidates to run for office just so it fair. That way the people can pay for candidates instead of corporations. That way they can just take the money from corporations as bribes.



posted on Mar, 8 2008 @ 11:33 AM
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It's on her website. There will be many plans to choose from but everyone will be covered. If you can choose and you will be covered that equals mandate.

Hillary Care



posted on Mar, 8 2008 @ 11:35 AM
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No problem with that request. I found this page from CNN in about 30 seconds.

www.cnn.com...

I'm sure you can find plenty more. Just Google it like I did.

If you have been following the political circus called the primary, this is a major point of contention between Hillary and Obama... at least, it was a major point until mudslinging became more profitable.

TheRedneck



posted on Mar, 8 2008 @ 11:36 AM
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Are you sure that doesn't mean you can choose which plan, and based on your choice, that's what will come out of your paycheck for taxes?

Socialized healthcare means everyone is covered. Perhaps she is saying there would also be a choice as to how much health care.

I read the page before I asked you, I was just wondering if you had more info, or if you were just inferring it.



posted on Mar, 8 2008 @ 11:38 AM
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We already pay for the campaigns. The government provides 'matching funds' to 'viable candidates'. Guess where those funds come from?

TheRedneck



posted on Mar, 8 2008 @ 11:40 AM
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If they with hold the expense of the healthcare plan I choose directly from my paycheck does that some how mean that I am in fact not being forced to pay for it?

I am choosing a health plan because I have to be covered= Mandate.

The money for said plan that I have to have is being taken from my taxes which means I am paying for it and have no choice = Mandate.

Socialized healthcare just means the government controls it and "owns" it.

Mandating that someone MUST buy healthcare is not Socialized medicine due to the fact that some of the choices are privately owned. That is called Fascism. Or Corpratism. I prefer fascism, I think it is more accurate in this case.

[edit on 8-3-2008 by Tinhatman]



posted on Mar, 8 2008 @ 11:42 AM
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And this is why my girl-friend is voting for Obama. She was all about Hillary until she started talking about universal health care and the fact that if we are "deemed" capable then we get a huge fine for not being able to afford it. This is ridiculous and Hillary will probably loose the nomination on that alone.



posted on Mar, 8 2008 @ 11:47 AM
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Originally posted by Tinhatman
Socialized healthcare just means the government controls it and "owns" it.

Mandating that someone MUST buy healthcare is not Socialized medicine due to the fact that some of the choices are privately owned. That is called Fascism. Or Corpratism. I prefer fascism, I think it is more accurate in this case.


I just had one of those annoying brain farts reading your post. Socialism = total government control. Fascism = government control along with/through private enterprise (corporations). So, socialism is more tyrannical than fascism. Hmmm...

Nice post.

TheRedneck




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