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reply posted on 8-3-2008 @ 12:29 PM by sizzle
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I do not have a bible on hand to quote from directly. But I do recall him turning water to wine.
And I recall a scripture where (I think) Paul told Timothy to have a little wine for his stomach.(?)
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reply posted on 8-3-2008 @ 12:37 PM by sizzle
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Personally, I do not believe that Jesus married and pro-created while He was here either. And it does seem to be a hotly contested debate as to
whether He would have had the right.
I believe that He constantly had His mind on the affairs of His Father.
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reply posted on 8-3-2008 @ 05:45 PM by sizzle
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 The Brotherhood of the Serpent/Snake has been the worlds most effect tool for keeping the human race spiritually ignorant. Ea wound up giving
his enemies a powerful tool of spiritual repression. EArth became a place where spiritual beings can be trapped, enslaved, and made to suffer.
The Brotherhood has been with the human race all through history. In Ancient Egypt it was known as "The Mystery Schools." This secret society
Brotherhood also includes Freemasonry.
Ran by evil The Brotherhood continues to dumb down the human race via repetitive mind control tactics, in an effort to forever control the human race.
And we must all work towards putting an END TO IT!
Not trying to start a freemasonry war. It is my understanding that only the top 5% of the freemasons really know what is going on. The rest are
relatively innocent.
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reply posted on 8-3-2008 @ 06:32 PM by 44soulslayer
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I can see how this would be a powerful thought, but simple maths indicates that if you go back that many generations (circa 35 stated in that
passage?), then most people would be related.
Assuming even a simple exponential increase, it would leave millions of people related to the Jesus bloodline. And thats assuming that most people
only had 2 children, which was definitely not the case.
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reply posted on 8-3-2008 @ 06:41 PM by Bigwhammy
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Mark 6:2-4
2When the Sabbath came, he began to teach in the synagogue, and many who heard him were amazed.
"Where did this man get these things?" they asked. "What's this wisdom that has been given him, that he even does miracles! 3Isn't this the
carpenter? Isn't this Mary's son and the brother of James, Joseph, Judas and Simon? Aren't his sisters here with us?" And they took offense at
him.
4Jesus said to them, "Only in his hometown, among his relatives and in his own house is a prophet without honor." 
So there are your four half brothers: James, Joseph, Judas and Simon
...the family of Jesus as James, Joses, Simon and Judas as well as at least one sister Salome are more clear.
I don't think for one minute think Jesus had his own children, clearly he was celibate. However I'm sure his half brothers and sisters probably had
children. I see no reason why they couldn't have descendants.
However, I highly doubt it can be traced, it's such a well researched subject I think it would be known by now were it true...
UNLESS there's a conspiracy?
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reply posted on 8-3-2008 @ 06:54 PM by OhZone
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These books do seem to present a case of a true bloodline.
However, I would not get excited about any living descentdant of same.
Supposedly all royal families came from this line.
NOw then, these families all had children that did not make it to the throne.
They all had kids that were still lower on the royal list.
If you do even the most rudimentary math on the generations of descendants from those times, you would come out with a phenomenal figure of
descendants. That would include many of us.
So, you see it is really no big deal.
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reply posted on 8-3-2008 @ 07:14 PM by sizzle
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Yes indeed! That truly is a powerful thought. It almost lines up with, "Brothers in, Christ Jesus. Sons of Adoption, and we are all in the family of
God. Right? 
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reply posted on 8-3-2008 @ 07:19 PM by sizzle
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Yes, and if we all wanted to get really technical and brag (that is if you believe the story of Noah), then we are all related and descended from
Armenia and are related anyway. Right? 
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reply posted on 8-3-2008 @ 07:31 PM by sizzle
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as I have stated before, I don't think Jesus had children either, but the author referred to, here, claims to be a descendant of Jesus' half-brother
James.
Which would still be out of the house of David.
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reply posted on 8-3-2008 @ 07:33 PM by Neiby
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In order to consider that Jesus has any living relatives, one must determine if he even existed in the first place. I've yet to see any
incontrovertible evidence that Jesus existed at all. Shouldn't you focus on that first?
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reply posted on 8-3-2008 @ 07:34 PM by Bigwhammy
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I went to the site, but frankly the author looks like a wingnut to me. The author doesn't believe in God but started blabbing about aliens and
stuff... sounded pretty koo koo for cocoa cocoa puffs, so I just quit reading it.
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reply posted on 8-3-2008 @ 07:36 PM by sizzle
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Somewhere in my many studies, don't recall where; it was said that Mary was also out of the house of David.
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reply posted on 8-3-2008 @ 07:38 PM by Bigwhammy
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That is true. Joesphs line really doesn't matter. It was Marys line that counted.
The Genesis prophecy said from the "seed of the woman". Which is odd since women do not have "seed" it was a forecast of th virgin birth.
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reply posted on 8-3-2008 @ 07:56 PM by sizzle
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Ya know BW, I have so many questions, after some of the chop-jobs that some of the writers of the modern bible have done, and the mis-translations
from the Hebrew and the Greek; that I have to wonder if it originally really meant seed? (or if seed means what we think it does)? 
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reply posted on 8-3-2008 @ 08:02 PM by sizzle
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I also wonder about the period called the Dark Ages. I need more study in this area, so if I have this wrong, feel free to jump in and correct me. But
seems that I recall that this was the era that the Roman Catholics kept the Bible under lock and key; and the individual did not have access to it or
what it actually said. Is that about right?
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reply posted on 8-3-2008 @ 08:08 PM by Bigwhammy
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That's true. they wanted to be the only ones with access so they could make up the rules as they went a long. They pretty much still do. they believe
anything the pope says is directly from god-which is pretty crazy - Biblicaly speaking it is not supported by scripture.
Martin Luther was the one who translated it into German for the common man to read... enter the reformation.
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reply posted on 8-3-2008 @ 08:11 PM by sizzle
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I went to the site, but frankly the author looks like a wingnut to me. The author doesn't believe in God but started blabbing about aliens and
stuff... sounded pretty koo koo for cocoa cocoa puffs, so I just quit reading it.
Somehow, I got the impression that he did believe, but just not exactly the way the 'typical' Christian might.
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reply posted on 8-3-2008 @ 08:21 PM by sizzle
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That and a few other reasons is what put me on this crusade for truth. Please understand. I know in Whom I have believed. That will never change.
There is an essence there that you can't explain unless you have experienced it. Something you will never be willing to deny or give back. That part
will not change.
Reading the Dead Sea Scrolls has helped some, but I want to know more. It is as if I am driven on this subject.
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reply posted on 8-3-2008 @ 08:32 PM by Bigwhammy
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That drivenness is a desire to know God. He wrote eternity on our hearts the Bible says. It's a good thing. I feel the same way. I like to study off
beat stuff too. Like the Book of Enoch and about fallen angels and stuff. We have to be careful though, we do have an adversary who will try to
derail our walk with Jesus. It's easy to get sidetracked. Be careful...
They say if you hang around the barber shop long enough you're gong to get a hair cut. 
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reply posted on 8-3-2008 @ 08:49 PM by sizzle
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Yeah, Believe it or not, I do know what you mean. "If you hang out with dogs you get fleas." Thanks for the warning. 
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