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Originally posted by idle_rocker
reply to post by OptionToChoose
I've still got the cat one if I ever need to go back to it, but AshleyD made me this lovely one that suits me perfectly and has the color of my Savior's heavenly, kingly robe in it. I just love it. Thank you, Ashley, and thank you Option for your post and words of encouragement. Sometimes that's all it takes to keep a warrior up and running.
Originally posted by AshleyD
Some speculate this prophecy was purposely fulfilled but there is one teeny tiny problem. Israel's rebirth took place to the day it was prophesied to be fulfilled. Many accusations then come flying forth that it was done on purpose but they forget two things:
1) The math was not realized until about a decade ago- not prior to 1948.
2). There were about a dozen prophecies that mentioned the specific circumstances that would surround Israel's rebirth. It was not a vague prophecy that Israel would simply exist at the end times. It was multiple things that had to occur.
Here are a few:
A). Be reborn in one day (this happened).
B). The Jew would slowly trickle in (this happened).
C). They would immediately be surrounded by enemies (this happened).
D). The precise names of the countries who would be their enemies were given by name (this coalition now exists).
E). They would regain Jerusalem (this happened).
F). There would be no king (this happened- and a prophecy stating a country without a king was preposterous in the age of monarchies when this prophecy was given).
G). The land would blossom (since its occupation the desert has become a type of oasis in the ME).
H). There would be attempts to divide the land (this is happening with the Palestine issue).
Originally posted by rizla
Exactly what math predicted the date of the establishment of Israel? Can you give proof the math was not worked out until after 1948? Also can you give bible references to the other prophecies you list? I am genuinely curious.
Originally posted by AshleyD
3). Give me a minute to go back and I will explain everything I mentioned further.
Originally posted by rizla
Also can you give bible references to the other prophecies you list?
Originally posted by rizla
No hurry. I won't have time to go through it all tonight. But I would appreciate it if you could list said prophecies with quotes and references. I appreciate it's a lot of work...
Originally posted by marg6043
reply to post by LDragonFire
The end of times prophecies are nothing more than scaremongering created by the early church to keep the faithful in line.
The old testament seers of the ancient were not better than your more modern version of Nostradamus an Edgar Cayse.
I actually like all of them for their visions.
The new testament version of prophecies hardly subscribe to the old testament in fulfillment but rather are with more manipulations of the writers.
The so call modern prophecies of fulfillment are the works of the minds of the ones that related them to the bible accounts of prophecies.
And this is my opinion and view of the issue
Originally posted by Shortness
No, Eschatology isn't fear mongering. It is a Revelation that came from Jesus Christ Himself.
Just think about it, God gave prophecy in the Old Testament to prepare the Jews for Christ first coming, the Messiah! the Anointed One! But God's people (pharisees in particular) misconstrued what was written in the OT and could not see that Jesus was indeed the Messiah. BUT, the fact remains God left enough in teh Bible to know how to recognize the Messiah.
Likewise, God left enough in the new testament so that we can recognize when around the time of when Christ will come the 2nd time. Heck, GOD dedicated a WHOLE BOOK to it (Revelations).
God would not leave His children in the dark concerning Christ 2nd Coming.
2for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 1 Thessalonians 5:2
36"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[a] but only the Father. Matthew 24:36
Biblegateway.com
Yes, there are many interpretations, just like there are many churches and denominations.
But, just like how the pharisees misiniterpreted the OT back in CHrist day, so to are many pastors and priests (modern day pharisees) misinterpreting Revelation.
Originally posted by Incarnated
The bible in both the book of Daniel and Revelation said a charactor would be introduced in the "last days". This charactor's name would be Michael and he would not be welcomed, but would be the only truly rightous man alive in those last days.
Low and behold! Here I am.
8He replied: "Watch out that you are not deceived. For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am he,' and, 'The time is near.' Do not follow them. Luke 21:8
biblegateway
Originally posted by FlyersFan
How about the ones that DID NOT come true?
There are plenty of those - especially about the second coming.