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Is there an end to space?

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posted on Feb, 21 2004 @ 09:20 AM
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that helps a lot i understand now
thanks




posted on Feb, 21 2004 @ 09:33 AM
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I see space as a big round bubble that Gos watches over and other dimensions are big round bubbles that are different spaces and maybe bigger ir smaller than our space.



posted on Feb, 21 2004 @ 03:42 PM
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well Amorymeltzer, i like the sound of that one.

I don'get it it. Theres yet another question with our futile attempts to understand the universe. From where did the 'nothingness' borrow this energy from??


2. it seems to me that if space was infinite, time wud be infinite

how can time NOT be infinite? because in the start, there was no universe?? or do you regard space as any 'thing' eg whats outside the universe, the 'void' ?
because if the universe ends, emaning finite time because finite space, you would still need more time to do other things after the universe, eg rebirth new creation etc.

btw. even if the universe was like 99% photons of light, you wouldnt be able to see it if it didnt reflect of anything!

but nice theory.. u make it up?



posted on Feb, 21 2004 @ 03:48 PM
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i think the reason most people cant comprehend the meaning of infinite is because they dont realize that the universe is ever expanding, therefore, although there is at any given time an edge of the universe, it is ever-expanding which is infinite.



posted on Feb, 21 2004 @ 04:04 PM
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how can time NOT be infinite? because in the start, there was no universe?? or do you regard space as any 'thing' eg whats outside the universe, the 'void' ?
because if the universe ends, emaning finite time because finite space, you would still need more time to do other things after the universe, eg rebirth new creation etc.



Time is not an abstract property, i.e. it is not a rate that we measure things, it is a dimension of this universe, like width, height and length (a.k.a. x, y, z spatial dimensions). Therefore, time as we know it does not exist outside of the universe.

Don't even suppose that the "space" around our universe is 3-dimensional. It maybe something really weird that we can not comprehend, so 'time' may not be a valid meaning in that context.



posted on Feb, 21 2004 @ 05:20 PM
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Originally posted by quiksilver
well Amorymeltzer, i like the sound of that one.

I don'get it it. Theres yet another question with our futile attempts to understand the universe. From where did the 'nothingness' borrow this energy from??


2. it seems to me that if space was infinite, time wud be infinite

how can time NOT be infinite? because in the start, there was no universe?? or do you regard space as any 'thing' eg whats outside the universe, the 'void' ?
because if the universe ends, emaning finite time because finite space, you would still need more time to do other things after the universe, eg rebirth new creation etc.

btw. even if the universe was like 99% photons of light, you wouldnt be able to see it if it didnt reflect of anything!

but nice theory.. u make it up?

im not quite sure of all what ur sayin, but ill try my best.
time can be finite if it ends - the end of time. if the 'big crunch' theory holds true, well then, upon the crunching of everything, time would end.
outside of the universe? there is no outside, this is all there is. i think ur thinking about things on the human level, theres always more. imagine the universe as a balloon. if ur inside the balloon, its expanding, but can u leave it (assume it cant pop)? no. now, if everything in existance is within that balloon, there cannot be anything to expand into. there isnt even anything for there to be nothing in. u need space to have a void, there isnt space.
thast the problem with the big bang, it implies that there was this explosion that blew thru and spread everything. no, it was more of a big flowing, everything jsut flew out and became everything.
quantum fluctuation says that u can take energy if u give it back. u dont need to take it from anywhere, u just need to take it. this is one of the many reasons why it is at odds with relativity.
as to the 99% light photons, um, so what? i dont see what thats getting at.
theory? what/which theory? as far as i can tell theres only one (that last, number 5) which isnt mine, its people's much smarter than mine's. believe me, i didnt invent the higgs boson



posted on Feb, 21 2004 @ 06:44 PM
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Here is a link to this same idea which was being talked about here a while ago. I have a somewhat confusing but interesting theory and example posted there that you may also find thought provoking.

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Feb, 22 2004 @ 02:37 AM
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I am laughing at how dumb you all are.



posted on Feb, 22 2004 @ 02:46 AM
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Let me start out by saying that there is only one universe, and it is infinite.

The universe cannot be limited. Because for it to be limited, there would have to be a perimeter, and the principle is that there has to be space itself on either side for a perimeter to exist.

[Edited on 22-2-2004 by UnconsciousEntity]



posted on Feb, 22 2004 @ 03:27 AM
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Originally posted by UnconsciousEntity
I am laughing at how dumb you all are.


Care to expand on that a little?

I'm sure that all us dumb people would be glad to listen to your take on this subject. You seem to have left that part out in your original post, as you can see quoted above. Why not share some of your incredible wisdom and knowledge with the rest of us so we may join you in laughter about our humble ignorant ways and ideas?



posted on Feb, 22 2004 @ 03:35 AM
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Originally posted by UnconsciousEntity
I am laughing at how dumb you all are.


that is the answer to all your problems, questions, theories, and wonders on space, time, and the universe.


i raise my glass to you unconcious



posted on Feb, 22 2004 @ 03:37 AM
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Originally posted by mOjOm

Originally posted by UnconsciousEntity
I am laughing at how dumb you all are.


Care to expand on that a little?

I'm sure that all us dumb people would be glad to listen to your take on this subject. You seem to have left that part out in your original post, as you can see quoted above. Why not share some of your incredible wisdom and knowledge with the rest of us so we may join you in laughter about our humble ignorant ways and ideas?



but thats the whole point, thats incredible wisdom right there

its not kowledge at all, thats the point.

wisdom and knowledge are always lumped together but they are so vastly different.



posted on Feb, 22 2004 @ 04:10 AM
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Maybe its time we did some reading and judging and more discussion again...

lynx

Universe1
Universe2
Centre of universe
Did the Universe Begin to Exist
Universe - Anti Universe
Origin of the universe - Hawking Speech
Sum random hypothesis
The topology of the Universe- Really long cant be botherred reading.

Some resources, read and question because thats what we do here right???



posted on Feb, 22 2004 @ 04:21 AM
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very interesting links so far. i dont think ill be leaving the computer for a while. thanks



posted on Feb, 22 2004 @ 04:26 AM
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Originally posted by Scat

Originally posted by mOjOm

Originally posted by UnconsciousEntity
I am laughing at how dumb you all are.


Care to expand on that a little?

I'm sure that all us dumb people would be glad to listen to your take on this subject. You seem to have left that part out in your original post, as you can see quoted above. Why not share some of your incredible wisdom and knowledge with the rest of us so we may join you in laughter about our humble ignorant ways and ideas?



but thats the whole point, thats incredible wisdom right there

its not kowledge at all, thats the point.

wisdom and knowledge are always lumped together but they are so vastly different.


I agree that Knowledge and Wisdom are different in many ways. Also, I agree that laughter and/or happiness can sometimes be a characteristic of One who is Wise, Awake and Enlightened.

However, to laugh arrogantly at others for reasons like judging their ignorance is not the action of One who is Wise. It is the action of a great fool who is drunk on his own false pride and dilusions of superiority.



posted on Feb, 22 2004 @ 08:42 AM
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If the universe is constantly expanding. What I wanna know is...what is just outside of the expanding universe...



posted on Feb, 22 2004 @ 11:58 AM
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I always thought in my own theory, that the universe was a giant atom, and were part of another person



posted on Feb, 22 2004 @ 02:20 PM
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Originally posted by Thorfinn Skullsplitter
If the universe is constantly expanding. What I wanna know is...what is just outside of the expanding universe...


Answer: Space. Space in which the Universe is Expanding. That's all, just more space.

By saying the Universe is Expanding, scientists have given the people the idea that the entire Universe has not only been discovered but possibly mapped out to known boundries and/or measured. Not even close.

By expanding universe, they mean that all known 'stuff' found so far in terms of planets, galexies, etc. are all moving and spinning through space and at the same time moving away from each other. So it's not exactly the Universe Expanding, it's the 'Stuff, Matter & Detectable Energy/Radiation/etc." that is expanding. It's all expanding into Space though. So if you only include 'Stuff' as Universe then it's an expanding universe. But if you include the Space and the 'Stuff' within it as part of the 'Universe' then I think you'd view it somewhat differently.



posted on Feb, 22 2004 @ 02:41 PM
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Well, scientists recently found the farthest galaxy yet. I believe it was 13 TRILLION light years away...HUGE universe. And I thought that scientists thought they universe was actually shrinking back in, going out, shrinking again, etc. Sorta like pulsating. If this was true, it seems that our universe is "breathing"


I believe the universe ends, but that there are other universes besides ours. And above all universes is what we call "heaven"

-wD



posted on Feb, 22 2004 @ 04:24 PM
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Originally posted by Amorymeltzer
lol, wow. here goes.
1. space is infinite if it expands indefinitely. space is finite if, in the end, it either stops growing (what eistein thought and was wrong about) or shrivels back up.
2. it seems to me that if space was infinite, time wud be infinite, and light would have an infinite amount of space thru which to travel, thus the majority of it looks pretty black. also, do not forget we are not nearly old enough to have enough stars for space to be white (it wudnt, stars die)
3. at this current time, space will be finite. it may have a 'border', that border is un-reachable because it expanding at light speed. the border is not a solid material, it is just the end.
4. the infinite galxies/worlds, etc thing - yeah, sure, if its infinite and goes on ad infinitum, because thats what will happen.
5. the universe was created due to quantum mechanics, with quantum fluctuation. because E=mc^2, u can bring particles into existance randomly if u have energy. and, quantum mechanics says u can borrow energy as long as u give it back, so, if there is nothing, space can borrow energy and give it back.
it has to borrow enough energy to create a particle. this particle has to be a higgs boson, the 'God' particle. the higgs boson is special because two particle can be at the same place at the same time, just like liquid he. the higgs boson has a higgs field. we dont no what that is or how to measure it, but we do no that the higgs field has random fluctuations in energy. one ofthese wud have to be enough to create the universe/big bang/everything. it then blows in our respective dimensions.
this is extremely hard and takes insanely large amounts of tries, like 1:1000000000 u will get a higgs boson. in theory then, there cud be universe popping into existance right now but we cant no them because their dimensions arent the same as ours (there are an infinite possibility)

hope that helps


But the only reason we see light on Earth is because it reflects from particles in our atmosphere. Space doesn't have particles... those that it does are few and spread far apart. For example, unlike our popular Star Wars and Star Trek movies... you'd not see a light beam or a laser beam in space until it reaches the target.

There is no end to space... space is an illusion. It is not 3 dimentional. Therefore, if you go far enough in one direction, you might wind up back where you started. Each new dimention adds a new perpendicular line to all the other dimentions. We can only perceive 3 at this time, but mathematically we can have many more. Space is composed of INFINITE dimentions, and is absolutely not limited in any way, shape, or form. Simply because there is no 3rd dimentional form. It's just like thinking the earth is 2d and flat and you'll fall off the edge eventually. In reality it turned out to be 3d and we came back to where we started.

Well space is also no 3d and has no end, and you'd eventually either go back to where you started... or simply never ever see a termination.

By the way, energy is SOMETHING. When there is nothing, there IS no energy. Energy is ALL that there is, and everything is composed of energy in its different forms. You jumped to a conclusion in another thread by assuming that by NOTHING I mean just energy... as energy is something



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